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What was the ordinary media?

Hand me down tales were the news of the day.

No more or no less susceptible to exaggeration and propaganda.

People would report what they wanted to report.

And others would believe what they wanted to believe.

Same old shit Eugene.

Fides est argumentum non.
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I would reply that your perception is not reality, but then you're a liberal.

Did you know that both Hitler and Trump drank water? Makes your case even tighter eh? Talk about people not putting their brains in gear!

Charisma is not only a negative trait.
It is to a liberal when it's about Trump. There are some of those geniuses who want to boycott orange! Their brains must be in gear. 
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Did you know that both Hitler and Trump feared and despised American Democracy and both ordered swastika-waving paramilitaries  to attack the respective parliaments which tried to check their campaigns for unlimited power?

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Nice jibing.
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Did you know that both Hitler and Trump feared and despised American Democracy and both ordered swastika-waving paramilitaries  to attack the respective parliaments which tried to check their campaigns for unlimited power?
Inside your TDS racked mind sure. In reality, Chamberlain, who was a liberal like you, wanted to cozy up to Hitler, and Churchill, who was a conservative like me, wanted to kick Hitler's a$$. 

Historical revisionism is the liberal's MOD. Trump won because he gave power back to the people, which is true democracy.

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The truth is impressively resistant to progressive liberal nonsense. Trump's approval rating among Republicans has held steady.

It took years of a liberal takeover of our education system, scientific grants, mass media, and Hollywood to hold Trump at par. I call that a loss. 
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Inside your TDS racked mind sure. In reality, Chamberlain, who was a liberal like you, wanted to cozy up to Hitler, and Churchill, who was a conservative like me, wanted to kick Hitler's a$$.
  • In fact, Neville Chamberlain was a life-long member of the Conservative Party.
    • Trump and Chamberlain share the same philosophy regarding dictators- appeasement.  Like Chamberlain, Trump regularly defends establishing friendly relationships with emerging totalitarians.
      • TRUMP on PUTIN:  So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!  I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory. The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia and others)is a good thing, not a bad thing…
      • TRUMP on KIM:  Kim Jong Un has been, really, somebody that I’ve gotten to know very well and respect, and hopefully – and I really believe that, over a period of time, a lot of tremendous things will happen.   [Kim] wrote me beautiful letters and they’re great letters. We fell in love.  Chairman Kim has been really very open and terrific, frankly. And I think he wants to see something happen. So we have done – I think, mutually, we’ve done very well with respect to North Korea.
      • TRUMP on ERDOGAN:  Well, thank you very much. It’s my honor to be with a friend of mine, somebody I’ve become very close to, in many respects, and he’s doing a very good job: the President of Turkey.
      • TRUMP on XI:  And I like President Xi a lot. I consider him a friend, and – but I like him a lot. I’ve gotten to know him very well. He’s a strong gentleman, right? Anybody that – he’s a strong guy, tough guy.  President Xi, who is a strong man, I call him King, he said, ‘But I am not King, I am president.’ I said, ‘No, you’re president for life and therefore, you’re King.’ He said, ‘Huh. Huh.’ He liked that. I had President Xi, who’s a friend of mine, who’s a very, very good man.
    • Edward VIII (by definition) represents the core Conservative British attitude towards Hitler before the War.
  • Churchill was a member of the Liberal Party for twenty years and stated in his letters that were it not for his opposition to Irish and Indian independence he would have remained a Liberal from start to finish.  To suppose that Churchill would have a common cause with the modern American Republican is absurd fantasy.
    • Churchill authored and sponsored the first and longest lasting universal health insurance plan.  Churchill invented Obamacare.
    • Churchill was a founding father of the United Nations, WHO, NATO, and the European Union- institutions despised by Trumpists.
      • Churchill would have opposed BREXIT with every fiber of his being.
    • CHURCHILL warning Conservatives not to mistake Socialism for Liberalism :  "Liberalism is not Socialism, and never will be. There is a great gulf fixed. It is not only a gulf of method, it is a gulf of principle. There are many steps we shall take which our Socialist opponents or friends, whichever they like to call themselves, will have to take with us; but there are immense differences of principle and of political philosophy between the views we put forward and the views they put forward.  Liberalism has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its formulas and its own aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private property; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly.  These are the great distinctions which I draw, and which, I think you will agree, I am right in drawing at this election between our respective philosophies and our ideas. Don't think that Liberalism is a faith that is played out, that it is a philosophy to which there is no expanding future. As long as the world rolls round, Liberalism will have its part to play—grand, beneficent, and ameliorating—in the relation of men and States."
Historical revisionism is the liberal's MOD.
You call me a "historical revisionist" but then demonstrate near ignorance of well documented historical fact.

Trump won because he gave power back to the people, which is true democracy.
  • Cite three example of Trump "giving power back to the people." 

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It's social evolution Mr E. and it won't stop.

If it scares you that much, best arm yourself, load up the 4 x 4 and run for the hills.....And don't forget the rocking chair.

And watch out for all those other gun toting, paranoid, moonshine junkies. 

Oh...And do you play the banjo?....Might help.


Oh...And ditch the technology and social media....You know it gives you nightmares.

Oh...And if the lovely Mrs E ain't so keen....Just chain her to the stove and hide her shoes.


Regards......You Old Conservative.



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  • In fact, Neville Chamberlain was a life-long member of the Conservative Party.
So was McCain. What people do is much more telling than what they say.

    • Trumpand Chamberlain share the same philosophy regarding dictators- appeasement. 
Trump didn't come back from NK with a worthless "peace in ourtime" slip of paper. He showed Kim "fire and fury".

    • Like Chamberlain, Trump regularly defends establishing friendly relationships with emerging totalitarians
Trump was not blinded by loony liberal dogma that made Chamberlain blind to the menace of Hitler. 

Your post is tangental nonsense. Chamberlain resigned and apologized, later admitting he was wrong. History remembers Churchill as one of the first to realize and warn England about how dangerous Hitler was.

Historical revisionism is the liberal's MOD.

You call me a "historical revisionist" but then demonstrate near ignorance of well documented historical fact.
Not a single "fact" you posted contradicts anything I've said. Chamberlain was tricked by Hitler due to his liberal pacifist policy. Churchill was not a liberal, and thus not fooled.

Trump won because he gave power back to the people, which is true democracy.

  • Cite three example of Trump "giving power back to the people." 
1. Trump gutted the liberals tendency to ignore what people wanted for liberal dogma. On subjects like Islam, transgenderism, and, abortion. America harming dogma - as Biden is signing into law right now.

2. Trump made the Justice Dept enforce the laws on religious freedom in America. The religious were not liberal punching bags during the Trump administration.

3. Trump made America first, like the American people want. That is why "the people" flocked to his rallies and speeches. What the people wanted, Trump gave them. That is power.

Biden just signed an executive order to allow Muslim terrorists into America. If the American people voted on that, would it be what Biden just signed? No.
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It's social evolution Mr E. and it won't stop.
No one asked it to stop shemp. Whatever "it" is to you.

If it scares you that much,...
When you Karen's do this, do you really think you fool the readers? Do you think they begin to believe I'm "scared" because you say I am? And how does it help you if I'm "scared"? Finally, "scared" of what? As atheist are wont, you haven't defined your "it", but you're already building doctrines on it.

best arm yourself, load up the 4 x 4 and run for the hills.....And don't forget the rocking chair.
The liberal caricature you have in your mind doesn't debate as well as the real conservative does it? No wonder you prefer to engage that.

And watch out for all those other gun toting, paranoid, moonshine junkies. 
Or with Biden's executive order, bomb toting jihadists.

Oh...And do you play the banjo?....Might help.
Rotten teeth don't.

Oh...And ditch the technology and social media....You know it gives you nightmares.
I have a Master's degree in Computer forensics. What does the caricature in your head have?

Oh...And if the lovely Mrs E ain't so keen....Just chain her to the stove and hide her shoes.
I have a wife. Did you never convince one or did yours wise up and leave?

Regards......You Old Conservative.
Identity politics. Ethan doesn't play that. Get out into a city when your non-fascist government will let you, and you'll see how ancient that lame caricature of Jed Clampett is. It isn't 1952 anymore Mr. Bean.

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  • In fact, Neville Chamberlain was a life-long member of the Conservative Party.
So was McCain. What people do is much more telling than what they say.
So you concede that Chamberlain was Conservative, disproving your thesis:

Inside your TDS racked mind sure. In reality, Chamberlain, who was a liberal like you, wanted to cozy up to Hitler, and Churchill, who was a conservative like me, wanted to kick Hitler's a$$.
WKPDA:The term has mainly been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.

  • For evidence demonstrating that your understanding of reality is superior to mine, you offered that
    • Chamberlain was a liberal like me
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    • Churchill was a conservative like you.
  • But this is the opposite of true.  You now concede that:
    • Chamberlain was a conservative
      • and
    • Churchill was far more liberal than modern US Trumpism
Since correct apprehension of reality was your grounds for establishing that I am deranged and we both now agree that your apprehension of reality was the faulty one, we should likewise conclude that you are the one who is deranged, no?

Trumpand Chamberlain share the same philosophy regarding dictators- appeasement. 
Trump didn't come back from NK with a worthless "peace in ourtime" slip of paper. He showed Kim "fire and fury".
Yes, he did.  Kim is still making nukes, testing missiles.  Trump did no more than follow So.Korea's detente.

    • Like Chamberlain, Trump regularly defends establishing friendly relationships with emerging totalitarians
Trump was not blinded by loony dogma that made Chamberlain blind to the menace of Hitler. 
Says the guy who didn't even know Chamberlain was a Conservative, that appeasement was conservative policy vs. Hitler in both the UK and the US.  Trump thinks Putin and Kim are his friends.  When Putin takes out contracts on US soldiers, Trump is silent on the threat to the men and women under his command, thinks of his own as "losers" and "suckers."  Trump literally doesn't have a side when it comes to foreign policy, he sold his favor for compliments and ceremonies and a little cash spent at his hotels or golf clubs.

You call me a "historical revisionist" but then demonstrate near ignorance of well documented historical fact.
Not a single "fact" you posted contradicts anything I've said.

Yes, it does.  You made a claim based in ignorance: that Churchill was a conservative like you, that Chamberlain was a liberal like me.

Refusal to recognize that your thesis has failed is not evidence favoring your thesis.

Trump won because he gave power back to the people, which is true democracy.

  • Cite three example of Trump "giving power back to the people." 
1. Trump gutted the liberals tendency to ignore what people wanted for liberal dogma. On subjects like Islam, transgenderism, and, abortion. America harming dogma - as Biden is signing into law right now.

2. Trump made the Justice Dept enforce the laws on religious freedom in America. The religious were not liberal punching bags during the Trump administration.
These two claims contradict one another.  Either Trump "gutted Islam" or "enforced religious freedom." 
  • If Trump gutted Islam, than Muslims were less free
  • Islam is a religion
  • Some religions were less free under Trump
  • I, for one, don't understand how more law on Muslims, more law on Trans folks qualifies as "giving power back to the people"
    • Perhaps the point is that Muslims and trans folks are not people, or at least not the people getting power from Trump.
3. Trump made America first, like the American people want. That is why "the people" flocked to his rallies and speeches. What the people wanted, Trump gave them. That is power.
OK, so that is pretty clear.  The people you are talking about are not ALL people.  You only define people as "followers of Trump"  Even if we call every Trump voter a "follower of Trump" that's still only one American in five.  Your definition of "the people" is overly restrictive and excludes the vast of majority of Americans and therefore flawed.

Biden just signed an executive order to allow Muslim terrorists into America. If the American people voted on that, would it be what Biden just signed? No.
All Muslims are terrorists.  Check.

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So you concede that Chamberlain was Conservative, disproving your thesis:
Chamberlain was in the conservative party, he was not a conservative.

WKPDA:The term has mainly been used by Trump supporters to discredit criticism of his actions, as a way of reframing the discussion by suggesting that his opponents are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.
The term was first used by Democrats, and it was the charge against Trump. Your distractions won't work.

  • For evidence demonstrating that your understanding of reality is superior to mine,...
I was not trying to demonstrate that my understanding of reality is superior to yours. You posts do that just fine. My evidence supported my claim, that Chamberlain was a liberal, and Churchill was a conservative.

  • you offered that
    • Chamberlain was a liberal like me
      • and
    • Churchill was a conservative like you.
  • But this is the opposite of true. 
Untrue. Chamberlain was a classic liberal, regardless of his party affiliation, and Churchill was a classic conservative.

  • You now concede that:
    • Chamberlain was a conservative
I conceded nothing of the sort. Earn your concessions, not declare them.

      • Churchill was far more liberal than modern US Trumpism
Churchill was a conservative. When you cannot counter a claim, stop talking. 

Since correct apprehension of reality was your grounds for establishing that I am deranged and we both now agree that your apprehension of reality was the faulty one, we should likewise conclude that you are the one who is deranged, no?
You "conclude"  what you like. I will stick with reality. The me outside your deluded mind has not "agreed" with you. 

Kim is still making nukes, testing missiles.  Trump did no more than follow So.Korea's detente.
Kim has tested no long range missiles. No violation of the treaty. And Trump got him talking. But your delusion forces you to not see reality if it is positive for Trump. 

Says the guy who didn't even know Chamberlain was a Conservative, that appeasement was conservative policy vs. Hitler in both the UK and the US.
Chamberlain was not a conservative Cletus. But I get why you have to limit your definition to party rather than how he  behaved. Thank God neither the US or England appeased Hitler.

You made a claim based in ignorance: that Churchill was a conservative like you, that Chamberlain was a liberal like me.
Both are true. For example, McCain was a member of the conservative party, but was not a conservative. Many Democrats, members of a liberal party, voted for Trump, the conservative candidate. You would have been duped by Hitler, blinded by the same loony liberalism that hampered Chamberlain.

These two claims contradict one another.  Either Trump "gutted Islam"...
I said, "Trump gutted the liberals tendency to ignore what people wanted for liberal dogma. Not Islam. Please stay honest.

I, for one, don't understand how more law on Muslims, more law on Trans folks qualifies as "giving power back to the people"
Which must be why you're now trying to substitute your lie, "gutted Islam" for my truth, "Trump gutted the liberals tendency" 

Perhaps the point is that Muslims and trans folks are not people, or at least not the people getting power from Trump.
America is a democracy. Majority rules. The majority of Americans do not want trans men in girls restrooms or jihadists roaming the verdant plains of America. Trump enacted the laws the people wanted. 

OK, so that is pretty clear.  The people you are talking about are not ALL people.
Please, stupidity is a poor debate tactic. Nothing in a democracy is ALL the people. But the majority carries the day.

You only define people as "followers of Trump"  Even if we call every Trump voter a "follower of Trump" that's still only one American in five. 
Would you like me to show you that many Democrats and independents also agree with Trump on the Trans and Muslim issues? If your argument is so good, why the deciet and trickery? Trump was called a populist by Democrats. That is because his policies was popular with a majority of Americans, of every stripe.

All Muslims are terrorists.  Check.
Address the point instead of being a knee-jerk liberal. Do a majority of Americans want the ban on Muslims lifted? No. You're focused on your dogma. The American people do not want the ban lifted. But Biden has lifted it because liberals do not care what Americans want. They hold their dogma in higher esteem than the will of the American people. This is what Trump meant by America first. And this is why he could not have been beaten unless liberals cheated. 
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Tee Hee.
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Weird response if you think I'm afraid. How many did you convince of my fear?
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I have a Master's degree in Computer forensics.
Is that from the University of Phoenix?


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So, he's gone. Is everybody happy now?
I didn't think so. Y'all don't know what that is.
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It's not really an argument to just keep repeating your false thesis.   History has concluded that Chamberlain was a conservative and Churchill was left of center by any modern American standard.  I have made arguments to this effect that you have ignored.  You have to present some kind of evidence supporting your claim that the opposite of history is true.   Your thesis stands disproved and ignorant of basic fact.
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Chamberlain May 1940:

"So, I'm  gone. Is everybody happy now?"

[ In the background, a bomb strikes Westminster Abbey]

"I didn't think so. Y'all don't know what that is."


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You're still not happy. Still complaining, now bombing Westminster to off Chamberlain, who was an utter fool. Nevertheless, note who is advocating the bombing. Not a Trump supporter, are you? [I knew that]  Neither did Trumpies attack the Capitol. They went peacefully to voice their opposition. Voice only. Careful the examples you use; they may bite back.
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Is that from the University of Phoenix?
No. At my University, we could think for ourselves instead of needing an authority figure to think for us. I would ask you what University you attended if I thought you attended one.
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It's not really an argument to just keep repeating your false thesis. 
And declarations are not arguments Oro. We know what parties the men belonged to, but we know how they behaved too.

History has concluded that Chamberlain was a conservative and Churchill was left of center by any modern American standard. 
Lol! Now you are just outright lying. Chamberlain was a snowflake liberal. It is understandable that you liberals don't want him now. Chamberlain is the shining example of the bankruptcy of liberal ideology in the real world. So is California. Churchill was a conservative, today's modern American liberal would call Churchill a racist. And they do.

I have made arguments to this effect that you have ignored.
I have dismembered, not ignored. Chamberlain behaved like a liberal, and you're insisting he belonged to a conservative party. So what? Have you addressed my rebuttal that he is to be called a liberal by his actions? Let your beliefs come from critical thought instead of verbatim from history books.

You have to present some kind of evidence supporting your claim that the opposite of history is true.   Your thesis stands disproved and ignorant of basic fact.
Nonsense. I haven't a clue what you call "history" but Chamberlain going to Hitler and appeasing him on Poland and then getting duped into believing Hitler wanted peace are all historical facts, and classic liberalism. If you had read any of Chruchill's writings you would know that he was a conservative, even moreso if judged by today's standards.

I'm way too experienced for the lame trick of claiming my view is "the opposite of history" thereby making your view, history, to work. Use consistent logic, not trickery.

And there is no need for liberals to thank conservatives for saving the world from Hitler. You're welcome. 
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So much for Hollywood hey.