Crimes Mafia - DP2

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Sorry guys, long day. Regarding what's been posted so far, despite my misgivings with him, I do buy Draft's claim and find it difficult to believe that he's scum, given that he would probably use a safer, more clearly town claim. Maybe this is just a galaxy brain move, but I'm not convinced he's doing something like that.

Based on the exchange going in between Supa and Lunatic, I also have little reason to suspect either of them, though they could be running their own fantastic con. 

I don't have much of a read on anyone else, and I think the lack of information is playing into that, especially with That1's absence and the relative quiet from quite a few people. Life's busy, and I'm certainly not one to talk about that activity level. That being said, while I am not suspicious of anyone just yet, I will participate in pushing more people to get some claims, and since Draft's leaning town to me and Speed's the only one with votes, I guess you're it until we get a claim.

VTL Speed
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Ok, I'm defacing currency
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Alright, good enough for now.

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I requested to sub out. I am dealing with an emergency that I don't want to talk about atm
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Where do we go from here
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I want to pressure whiteflame.

Vtl whiteflame
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@drafterman

> votes on drafterman: everyone piles on; almost mishammered

> votes on speed: crickets

This lacks context. People added to your wagon cuz you refused to claim after saying your role wasn't that useful to town.

And if it's true that nobody was online (I wasn't) then no votes on Speed isn't noteworthy at all, so why note it?

Speed had 3/5 votes on him from you + Luna and whiteflame so I'd hardly call that crickets given the activity level in this game so far. But please clarify: if you believe nobody is voting Speed because he might be scum, then why are you voting for whiteflame who is one of two people joining you on voting for Speed? 
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@drafterman
I find it odd that you're suddenly targeting me. You got a character claim from Speed. You have one from me as well. Are you pushing for a role claim from me, and if so, why are you refusing to push for the same on Speed?
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@Danielle
This lacks context. People added to your wagon cuz you refused to claim after saying your role wasn't that useful to town.
People wanting my claim should have voted Lunatic, as that was the offerred way to get my claim. People voting me were wanting me to die, specifically. That's the difference.

And if it's true that nobody was online (I wasn't) then no votes on Speed isn't noteworthy at all, so why note it?
Because it's always noteworthy to note who votes or doesn't vote whom.

Speed had 3/5 votes on him from you + Luna and whiteflame so I'd hardly call that crickets given the activity level in this game so far. But please clarify: if you believe nobody is voting Speed because he might be scum, then why are you voting for whiteflame who is one of two people joining you on voting for Speed? 
Because scum can vote scum? I'm inclined to accept Speed's claim regardless.
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@whiteflame
I find it odd that you're suddenly targeting me. You got a character claim from Speed. You have one from me as well. Are you pushing for a role claim from me, and if so, why are you refusing to push for the same on Speed?
I buy speed's claim.

"Defacing currency" is one of those things that is technically a crime but no one is really obeys it and no one is really ever arrested, charged, or convicted for it. It's a crime no one really treats like a crime.

As part of my own PM fluff, Bullish notes that prostitution is a crime that many don't think should be a crime. I see this as building on a theme of sorts: crimes that aren't/shouldn't really be crimes.

This puts an FOS back on Lunatic somewhat, as I doubt Bullish thinks corruption/bribery shouldn't be a crime and most people would agree it should be a crime. But I'm mainly back on you for the behavior early this DP.
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@drafterman
But I'm mainly back on you for the behavior early this DP.
Frankly, for behavior alone, I'd be back on you as well, though I buy your claim so I'm not voting to lynch you. Do you doubt my claim?
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@whiteflame
I'm null on it. We don't know what the theme is yet but I think Speed's claim is closer to my own and I'm town. Lunatic can confirm himself allegedly. So I'd rather just get you.
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@drafterman
Alright, guess you're welcome to push and see if anyone else will join you, though I doubt it considering I'm not the only one who saw your behavior as suspicious.

I don't see anything particularly suspicious about the claims given so far. Hard to make any calls for Pie, Danielle and Warren due to their being largely absent over the last 24 hours (Danielle gave an excuse, though). Still, I see more value in putting pressure on them because of how little we know about them, and though I suspect that any claim they make now will appear valid, I'd rather goad some more activity at this point and see some claims than leave them as is. Gotta start somewhere.

VTL Warren
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I'm on board with getting rid of warren or whiteflame so I won't mix them up again.
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Morning folks, I’ve been on a binge of Survivor so my apologies for the inactivity
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@drafterman
I gave my justification already and I I vote lunatic because I got what I wanted.
So your justification is that you’re a Town Hooker just because you’re prostitution? That’s interesting.

All you have against me is WIFOM which is null. What specifically pushes me as scum in your eyes?
I’ve already said that it’s your role. You can WIFOM it all you want, doesn’t change that you have a claimed scum role.
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@Speedrace
I don't think that you're a town roleblocker. I think that you should've died last night and you didn't. And I agree with Luna's behavioral reads
If you agree with Lunatic’s behavioral reads you should be Lean Town on Drafter...
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@Lunatic
pie are on him for his role which I feel is an easy shot for a mislynch.
Imo it should be a policy lynch. If we’re just gonna let Drafter keep WIFOMing himself out of this, we’ve already lost. This is exactly what he does as scum: WIFOM the shit out of things
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My vote stands on Drafter
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@ILikePie5
I'm not WIFOMing anything, ILikePie. You're misusing the term.
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I definitely think we need more information so ima hop on board with whiteflame and pressure warren for a claim
Vtl warren

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We have 12 hours remaining
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where ya at fam
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@Vader
Why?
If you're referring to me asking you to give me LSD then it's cause it seems like it might be something fun. I'd take cocaine too though. Just seems like it might have a fun role attached.
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I requested to sub out. I am dealing with an emergency that I don't want to talk about atm
Obviously real life comes first and Supa should prioritize that but this is inconvenient, at least the slot is more or less confirmed town.
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I see this as building on a theme of sorts: crimes that aren't/shouldn't really be crimes.
I'd like to explicitly state that my crime is a legitimate crime and should remain one. It is prosecuted, though maybe not as strongly as it should be, and would tend to indicate that this isn't the theme split.
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I feel like a push on me is relatively opportunistic, I've given no reason to indicate I'm scum and have provided a clear outline of my thoughts/reads.
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I feel like a push on me is relatively opportunistic, I've given no reason to indicate I'm scum and have provided a clear outline of my thoughts/reads.
Oppertunistic isn't the right word. You were no where to be found, the day phase is ending soon, we have like no information or leads, why not you?
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@warren42
I feel like a push on me is relatively opportunistic, I've given no reason to indicate I'm scum and have provided a clear outline of my thoughts/reads.
It's precisely because you've managed mostly to steer clear of providing any reasons to associate you with either town or scum that we're putting pressure on you. Admittedly, bit of a coin flip between you and Pie (Danielle would be in the picture as well if she were feeling better), but that's where things stand. I don't want another day phase to end without any leads.
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@Lunatic
I was one of the main posters for awhile in the day phase. To say that you have no information on me isn't true. I disagree with that on its face.

Was your intent a claim or a lynch?