Antitheist AMA

I'm not only an atheist, but an antitheist, I do see a lot of geniune misunderstanding about what this is, and I'll use Christopher Hitchens (A rather famous Antitheist) as the definition for myself, I feel this most accurately depicts how I see myself. 

"...My view is not just that there is no reason to believe that there is a deity, but that it is a good thing that is not the case."

Lol y do you hate god? Y'all athetits just wanna be y'all's own god and sin all the time.

I knoow right? Obviously I just hate god because I want to be gay! I wanna sin and cheat my entire life! That's something I want to be, a thief and someone that has zero interpersonal relationships because - I want to pathologically lie.

Well at least you admit it. Why you so against something you don't even believe in? That's one I've heard before.

Believing there is no God means the suffering I've seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the world, isn't caused by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent force that isn't bothered to help or is just testing us, but rather something we all may be able to help others with in the future. No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future.

-Penn Jillette 2005

Its almost like arguing, "Why wouldn't you want the Joker to exist? Why are you so against him! He doesn't exist." Which... you know.... I don't think nearly any sane person would  want the Joker to exist, being an antitheist is like being an antijokerist. 

why do you need tp be anti theist?

I don't "need to be one" I simply am one. I feel that it is morally better that a god does not exist, I feel that a god would do more harm than good - and this especially applies to the incantations that theists believe in.

i am antiatheist

Admit you're not an atheist, you're a faitheist.

So in other words your anti accountability because a God that punishes murderers and rapists is harmful right? Justice is equivalent to harm in your book?

Did I ever say that? No, I did not, and my primary reason for being against a god's existence has nothing to do with the christian one, I would argue - that as the christian god is defined as all good, that any god governing this world, necessarily could not be the christian god, but that isn't even my point. My point is that any god would have a mind, and as people often know: Power corupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely. I think the greeks and romans got it right with their interpretation of what gods would be like. 

Maybe for everyday folk like you but everyday folk isn’t the narrative is it? Your talking about God here.

Im talking about 'gods' there is a difference

Okay, so you don’t have the same feelings towards monotheism?

They did it incorrectly, I never said i wanted to end religion, I said that i thought that it was better that no god exists.

No I have the feeling towards all god(s), I simply said 'gods' because it was was all inclusive. I have very specific problems with a lot of monotheistic god's.

I mean? If they had the exact same moral claims as I did? With the exact same motivations and reasonings? Because as you know I have pretty specific moral views, I very much doubt that, but I feel that the net affect would be loss and not benefit, and again, absolute power absolutely corrupts, I don't know how I would exactly react, but I feel most any mind, even more intelligent minds, would be corrupted by such power that any god enjoys. That is why I say, "I feel" because I don't assert these things with enough confidence to defend that position precisely. Exactly because of things like that, if there was an antitheist scale I'd be... 6 or 7ish. where 10 is the most antitheist

Are you trying to say that you resist idolatry?

I mean... yes? I wouldn't worship much of anything. Its not my specific motivation for being an antitheist or anything else really, that's a completely independent thought for me

Do you really believe"absolute power absolutely corrupts" is true? Why? I don't even think that's a real thing, more like something someone made up. I doubt it's possible to have absolute power, at least on a human level. So how would it be possible to know?

You doubt its a real thing? Interesting, that say a lot more about you than it does me. You are correct in a manner of speaking, it's a philosophic ideal, and a fairly demonstrated one at that. Its based on a simple principle, the more access something has to something, they more they will want it, consume it, use it, etc.. That's basic stuff, but it logically concludes, that someone with power will want to use it, and speaking generally, its a lot easier to use things for your own gain then it is for others. Most gods wouldn't have the binding of evolution or the need for others. You can not believe it, but you haven't put an ounce of thought into it. Quite ironic.

Well morals simply can’t exist without God.

Have you thought about it this way, that those who are hungry for power are those that strive for it, and they are already"corrupted" or just plain selfish beings? The majority of us don't seek power, so the ones who want it get it.

Wrong... actually... .in fact, you can even have objective morals without god, do I buy that personally? Nope, but people claim as much. I don't think morality could ever be more than subjective. That doesn't mean that there are no morals, it just means that unlike you, I don't depend on someone else for them.

Why because of some definition that you refused to support?

I mean... you can assume that, but the other thing is also true... the more power you have, the more likely you are to become corrupt.

No actually, because morality literally can't be objective, definitionally... which isn't the same thing. Also, no, the last time we got into this you never critiqued my syllogism beyond pedantics, and I gave you shot after shot to do so, and you didn't, so i got tired of wasting my time with you