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@drafterman
I think it's pretty clear what the Hated character would be. And, as life often imitates art, there is another discussion about whether we should let this Hated character live and play in our reindeer games.As I said last game: We do not need to lynch the Hated.All Hated Town does is make MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.But, guess what, when you mislynch a townie you're making MYLO/LYLO happen one phase earlier than otherwise.So lynching the Hated or letting it live is mechanically the same.That said, role =/= affiliation and this could be Hated scum, but but that decisions turns on reads and/or reports.
Never heard Hated analyzed this way. This is interesting. But I guess there is some utility or null utility on keeping hated then. Though the counter would be taking the power on how the mechanic impacts the game and when away from scum. That if there is concern I am scum hated, then my lynch has all town utility?
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@whiteflame
why would you want a third claim? Unless you have reason to suspect Supa, giving more info to scum is not helpful. Speed would be my only exception in this regard. ;-)
Sorry, I face palmed so hard at innocent townie being anti-town that it went through the back of my head.
Speed would be my only exception in this regard. ;-)
Crying and shaking
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@Vader
why would you claim so quickly?
Clarification on why I voted for Water
This quote:
if one were to hypothetically be playing scum and they had two people that they didn't know the roles of but one was playing badly and was way more sus than the other, they'd kill the not sus one right?
Sounds like scum water not knowing how to play with an inno townie, because he played in MY game as town with an inno child and had 0 problems
k then i guess
Also, Santa Clause killed a man...
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@WaterPhoenix
No I will not character claim. And you should not out your theory. On the chance it is correct it only helps scum.
Nvm ignore that previous fact
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@Speedrace
Sounds like scum water not knowing how to play with an inno townie, because he played in MY game as town with an inno child and had 0 problems
if i was scum would i not be asking how if innocent child is anti-town to my partner and not like you guys?
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@WaterPhoenix
if i was scum would i not be asking how if innocent child is anti-town to my partner and not like you guys?
Idk you've done weird things as scum before
I don't see why it's confusing you now when you've played with it before
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@drafterman
Sorry, I face palmed so hard at innocent townie being anti-town that it went through the back of my head.
i was trying my best to not throw this game :(
So I def missed the town confirm on Oromagi. Gotta read the "fine" print I suppose this explains Luna's line of inquiry and wanting to be certain of the OP before just accepting the town confirmed role.
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@Speedrace
i dont remember the last time i played scum but ya ill bet i have. also, this may seem like a really bad reason but i swear its true, but like no one mentioned supa being innocent child last game but like now it actually matters.
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@LikeMagic
I have reason to suspect everyone, so it was a matter of whoever was getting pushed because, as I learned the hard way in a couple of the previous games, playing passively gets us nowhere and trying to push a lynch that no one's going to join doesn't accomplish anything. That being said, Speed would usually be my choice as well. Too much experience with him as scum.
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@LikeMagic
I was at 4/7, which I feel is sufficient amount of pressure to give a character claim. I will not reveal my role in DP1 and I will stick by that notion. In general, only if there is sufficient pressure should you give a claim. I hate the new direction of popcorning character claims, yes, but if Whiteflame and drafter were to town and mafia was not on my vote, if ideally it was 3 person mafia, I could be lynched.
Again, I am opposed to mass char claims in DP1, I think it helps mafia more than anything, but if pressured to do so, I will
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@whiteflame
Okay, but wouldn't you agree that having outed 2 character claims and 2 role claims between three separate players is enough information to have outed DP1 and that more info only helps scum. Assuming all three players we have info on are town, which I know two are we have given scum a lot to work with. So any pressure to claim at this point needs to be target to those we actually suspect to be scum.
Where do you stand on VTNL at this point?
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@drafterman
How is your analysis of hated impacted with a VTNL? That delays MYLO and the effect of of me being hated townie on the game dynamics it seems. I'm a fan of VTNLs DP where no clear target arises.
I cannot express how annoying I find it that this platform does not auto-quote people when you reply to their posts.
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@LikeMagic
I cannot express how annoying I find it that this platform does not auto-quote people when you reply to their posts.
That would save a huge amount of time, want the same, VTNLing would be best this DP1
VTNL
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@LikeMagic
I'm in perfect agreement. I think we have enough information, and that seeking more at this stage would be overzealous and could provide too much information to mafia. To some extent, I understand the efforts to push other people to act and respond to issues perceived in their analysis, but I would not seek another character or role claim, and thus,
VTNL
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@WaterPhoenix
also, this may seem like a really bad reason but i swear its true, but like no one mentioned supa being innocent child last game but like now it actually matters.
Vote Count
SupaDudz (oromagi) --1/7 votes
iLikePie (Bullish) -- 1/7 votes
Water (Pie, Speed) -- 2/7 votes
No Lynch (that1user, whiteflame) -- 2/7 votes
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@LikeMagic
sucks to come back to mafia and have a role that pretty much means instant death. This makes me certain the roles were randomly assigned, since I am certain danielle would not do that to me.
I am more suspect of the claim itself, than I am worried about policy lynching you as town. The reason you mentioned is one, it would rely on a little bit of mod psyche to sell, but you pre-empting the argument that danielle had to have randomized gives credence to the theory that you pre-empted the argument. It's rare to see you in forum mafia lately, and there's been a general distaste towards hated townies as they've been used at least 3 times in recent forum games, and in live mafia games. Danielle could have randomized I suppose, but I feel like even mods who randomize will sometimes make exceptions. Killing off a player who rarely plays with a role like that seems like one of those situations I could see danielle changing things up.
Another reason I suspect the claim is that I don't remember danielle using hated townie in any of her recent games on DART or in live mafia. From a balance perspective it's not a role I see her using though it's not impossible, and I can see a character that drafter hinted at fitting that role really well, so maybe she could have made an exception. I still grant you that it is a good anti town utility counter balance to the innocent townie as well.
All this to say, if I were to be on board lynching you it would be for behavioral reasons and for suspecting your claim, and I agree policy lynching hated's is not the best option.
I know you mentioned you were hated early on, but it wasn't exactly your first post either, were you debating on whether to claim it or not or did you momentarily forget that was an SOP type claim?
I never said diverting. I said it was an odd digression.
Digression: "a temporary departure from the main subject in speech or writing."
Again, there was no discussion up until this point.
It was. There was absolutely no basis to think such a role existed. It was random and worth highlighting for future reference.
It's not random; I thought it was odd that she went out of her way to specifically say there isn't a tailor. If I were a mafia tailor that could mess with OP's that's the kind of thing I would want to put in an OP. That and the dp1 innocent townie thing had me finding that was a wierd combo, as well as she basically copy and pasted my OP from the stand mafia. I thought it was mafia trying to play games or something.
Regardless, I kind of tricked danielle into mod confirming this isn't the case, so it's irrelevant now.
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@Vader
Just curious about why you are asking about tailors and stuff in game? Asking because there was no implication of anything and it seemed kinda weird it was the first thing you said. Just curious though
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@LikeMagic
Upon double checking, it seems you claimed it in your second post. I was under the impression for some reason it was 3 or 4 posts in, so I will drop that particular point.
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@Vader
I don't have a problem claiming and will do so right now, I am Santa Clause.
Can you confirm that the "E" is at the end of your character claim? Pretty sure Clause with an E indicates the Tim Allen movie.
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@Speedrace
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