XMAS 2020 Mafia - Day Phase 1

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Willing to drop White for now. But I feel more certain than ever that he's scum. I will reiterate that the basis is not passivity. I have however fully outlined all of the multiple behavioral things he has done that are scummy and will not rehash them. 

I am willing to focus on drafter. He is seeming more and more scummy. 
Bruh you gotta play politics better than that. Drafter is currently voting whiteflame, your preferred target. If you want your wagon to be hopped on you can't just distance opportunistic allies like that. You know that I and like 2 other people have interest in voting white, that's 5 votes. After that you just need to bully 2 more ppl and u got a lynch.

UNVOTE

VTL Whiteflame
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To be clear I'm not Santa Claus, I'm Santa CLAUSE from the movie The Santa Clause

Literally the same right?
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Supa is smart
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No. He is claiming to be a legally binding arrangement.
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Not sure I understand why ppl were pushing for a no lynch 7 pages into the DP. 
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How the hell is that a character
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He could be claiming to be the specific version of Santa Claus from the movie The Santa Clause, who Danielle has colloquially written as "Santa Clause"
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OK,  I'd be willing to grynch Supa at this point just to see if its a typo in the PM or weak fake claim or something else


VTL SupaDudz
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Water (Pie) -- 1/7 votes 
No Lynch (whiteflame, Supa) -- 2/7 votes 
Bullish (that1user, Water)  -- 2/7 votes
whiteflame (LikeMagic, drafterman, Bullish) -- 3/7 votes
drafterman (Lunatic, Speed) -- 2/7 votes 
SupaDudz (oromagi) -- 1/7 votes 

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Which would still be "Santa Claus" not "Santa Clause." They even make that distinction in the movie itself! I'd buy it as a typo from the mod but Supa keeps pressing on this point that he's Santa ClausE not Santa Claus. The only distinct that exists is the one made in the movie vis-a-vis the person and the legal agreement that turns you into the person.
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Supa is claiming the tim allen movie santa clause, not santa claus. I brought this up instantly and he clarified. I don't see the big deal
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I am okay with the drafter lynch, but think we need to not lose sight of White. 
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If there was anyone else in this game who was Santa, they would CC Supa. IF that had happened and Supa made this "I'm not Santa Claus I'm Santa ClausE" I'd right his sleigh right to the Lynch Pole but no one has CC'd Santa. So unless we think Danielle didn't put Santa into Christmas Mafia, I'm going to buy his claim.

If I had to guess I'd say he is Santa Claus, Danielle just spelled it wrong.
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VTL Supa
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Is he claiming to be the movie or to be the legal contract the movie is based on?
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VTL Drafterman
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Supa is claiming the tim allen movie santa clause, not santa claus. I brought this up instantly and he clarified. I don't see the big deal
He's saying his character is "Santa Clause" verbatim from his pm, but that character does not exist. It makes sense that he's fake claiming then and didn't realize that Santa Clause wasn't a character
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Water (Pie) -- 1/7 votes 
No Lynch (whiteflame, Supa) -- 2/7 votes 
Bullish (that1user, Water)  -- 2/7 votes
whiteflame (drafterman, Bullish) -- 2/7 votes
drafterman (Lunatic, LikeMagic) -- 2/7 votes 
SupaDudz (oromagi, Speedrace) -- 2/7 votes 

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No Lynch (whiteflame, Supa) -- 2/7 votes 
Bullish (that1user, Water)  -- 2/7 votes
whiteflame (drafterman, Bullish) -- 2/7 votes
drafterman (Lunatic, LikeMagic) -- 2/7 votes 
SupaDudz (oromagi, Speedrace) -- 2/7 votes 
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SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES
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I think one of Whiteflam or Bullish is likely scum, but not both. White because he's contributing regularly in a non-contributory way. It feels forced, like he's playing narrator without actually hunting scum. He echos obvious observations or statements and anything remotely novel he says he seems willing to backdown from immediately as almost a gut reaction to realizing he's drawn attention to himself.
Whiteflame has stayed pretty close to his town meta so far this game. 
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For me that's more like r/mildyinfuriating
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SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES SPLIT ALL THE VOTES
a very scum oriented goal. 
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That's a vintage meme
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Or, a mildly humous reference to a recent election.

If you insist on tying it to a serious evaluation of the game, I'll note that it is you who is splitting the wagon, not I.
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What's your deal. First you want Supa's claim, and say you were willing to jump on any bandwagon to get more claims (though lots of claims were already out for scum to see). your defense of this tactic is "not playing passively?" Then when I push back on you a little more with that strategy you complete 180, are in "perfect agreement" and VTNL, the epitome of passivity.
WF isn't always the most consistent as town. I feel that he's sorta like me, I think his mind changes and his opinion evolves as more args are presented in the DP, and he's not so stubborn that he holds onto one view of things like certain people who shall not be named. 

That said, yeah I'll agree that a complete 180 with little pressure needs explaining. 
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@Bullish
He can both be meme-ing and scum-satisfied with a scum beneficial outcome
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Except I'm not the one that called the split votes "oddly satisfying." Why do you ignore that. You seem to be rather selective in your scum reading.
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@Bullish
Bruh you gotta play politics better than that. Drafter is currently voting whiteflame, your preferred target. If you want your wagon to be hopped on you can't just distance opportunistic allies like that. You know that I and like 2 other people have interest in voting white, that's 5 votes. After that you just need to bully 2 more ppl and u got a lynch.
This sounds like either you are saving your mafia partner by going for a mislynch or you are closing in on scum

Unvote
VTL drafterman


I am willing to join the WF lynch though if it gets enough heat, WF's flip will yield a lot dynamics wise
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How do you not know about this, hunting for 3rd parties is classic classic scum tell that goes all the way back.

When you're scum and you can't fake a scum read on town and you don't want to scum read a buddy, you try to hunt for TPs because it looks genuine.

No offense to That1, but when I played with her on a scum team, she wasn't that big brained perse. Like she's smart, but clearly a bit more on the noob side. I don't think she would do this for that reason as scum.