Add Satanism as a religion.

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Add Satanism?

You remind me of something I meant to say, but didn't. I don't think one needs to add Satanism. Satanism has been around since before Adam. My religious context on this matter is as follows:

1. Before being born on Earth, we existed as spirits, literal spirit children of God the Father, and a Mother [probably many Mothers, given our extreme numbers. We are, all of us who have lived, are living now, and ever will live on Earth are their children, but were in spirit form before our physical birth. We are, as spirits, of a single generation of children to physically perfect, resurrected beings, Father and Mother, who once existed as spirit children, then mortals, of an earlier generation of godly parents who were, in their time, also once mortal, etc. There are, therefore, generations of gods, and generations of their spirit, then mortal, then resurrected physical, perfect embodied children. Each generation has had, has, and will have this same process of progression: There is a master plan that all who are spirit children wold potentially have the opportunity to be physically born to parents who preceded us on earth for us to obtain a physical body and experience mortality. The purpose of mortality is to see if we will be obedient to Father's commands, because he has been through this mortal cycle and knows how best to achieve it to eventually become perfect, and a god. That godhood is the ultimate goal.

In our generation of spirit children, at least, but I believe the entire pattern repeats in every generation, there was one who would be chosen to be a savior, redeemer for the rest of us in our mortality, because we will, in mortality, make mistakes in out endeavor to follow the plan. Some mistakes are minor, but many are major impediments to our progress toward perfection. We need someone who can act as a redeemer to offer personal sacrifice in our behalf to reconcile those errors we cannot, ourselves, correct. Thus are our mortal lives lived by our agency to be obedient to God, or not. It is entirely our choice, and we choose to be obedient, or choose to be sinful. The one chosen to atone for those sins, on condition of our repentance, will be our savior. He is our older brother. This is Jesus, in our generation. By his atonement, we all have opportunity to reconcile our sins with God and present ourselves before him, having completed our mortal life, either clean and spotless by repentance, or dirty and filthy by dying in our sins. Those sins are the result of another, Satan, who, in our spirit world opposed the plan, seeking to force us all to return to God, but would do so by eliminating our free agency and forcing us to be good. So Satan is another spirit brother in our generation. God rejected his plan, and accepted Jesus' plan. Satan, and those who followed his plan, were cast out of heaven, leaving us - all who have ever been born into physical mortality - to continue on our path toward mortality, trial, and eventual perfection if we achieve it by our continued obedience.
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Add satanism as in one of the religious options for the site....
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Have you seen Satan on that Match.com ad?
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@fauxlaw
Origenism is a heresy.


Specifically the pre-existence of souls.
From the 5th ecumenical council...

"If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it: let him be anathema."


Thought you might want to be aware of that.



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I owe no allegiance to the 5th ecumenical council. By what authority did they make claim since Christ, himself, and others, foretold an apostasy. See Isaiah 24: , Amos 8:, Acts 20: , Thessalonians 2:  , II Timothy 4: ,  Peter 2: …  They all foretell an apostasy before the second coming of Christ. It was happening by the close of the first century CE. I won't give you verses; you need to read in context, so read the chapters, not just singular verses.
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Who on this site actually has the authority to make this change. 
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I'm not sure exactly, you can legit just tag "DebateArt.Com" maybe tag one of the mods to get DebateArt.Com to notice, some mods are: MisterChris, Drafterman, Ragnar. 
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Add satanism as a religious option on the drop down menu in your profile edit plz
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@fauxlaw
Yet you have no problem going by the New Testament canon we established I imagine.

I would say rather that your rejection of the church is proof that you aren't Christian.



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Satanism has been around since before Adam.
Contemporary religious practice of Satanism began with the founding of the Church of Satan in 1966, although a few historical precedents exist. Prior to the public practice, Satanism existed primarily as an accusation by various Christian groups toward perceived ideological opponents, rather than a self-identity. [**]
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Although of course, I think at its root their religion is detestable, but religion is one component of many in a person.
What exactly do you think "satanists" believe?
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You might have  met people who refer to themselves as satanists....Just another bunch of people with fantasy concepts in their heads.
Actually, the exact opposite of "fantasy concepts".
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People swearing idealistic allegiance to the one being responsible for all the world's suffering
Oh, you must be talking about (the omnipotent) "YHWH".
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@Wagyu
In fact, you should be able to type your own religion
100% THIS.
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we established
who's "we?"
Since your 5th ecumenical council was seated in argument over Hesychasm [or Greek:: ἡσυχασμός], or reclusion to shut down senses in order to allegedly achieve a higher state in prayer, when the term as noted in Greek merely refers to being in a condition of quiet stillness. which can be achieved even in a crowd, although I understand Jesus' reference to closing one's self in their own room to pray, the Greek [in which I am relative fluent] version of the passage in Matthew in which Jesus makes his solitary prayer commentary speaks of nothing of separating one's self from their senses, so the whole argument escapes me, and the result of the 5th council was a schism in the Orthodoxy [and perhaps that is because the apostasy foretold is in full swing by the 14th century 5th ecumenical council, and thus direct revelation from God to settle the issue is long past, what should one expect of quibbling mortal left to their own philosophies?
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Contemporary religious practice of Satanism 
Merely formalization of  a practice already ancient in the first century, a few thousand years after people. were already denying the existence of Satan [an excuse to justify themselves as godless], yet in practice of Satan's methods. It's a bit of chicanery if you ask me, by denial of principles secretly embraced. Socialism goes through the same denial process, claiming their really about a simplified capitalism that only recognizes production and sales, because those are both very obvious tasks, ignoring that the part of capitalism that allows it to thrive is R&D, materials strategy, purchasing, production design & implementation, tooling design & implementation, and customer service - all the stuff that ensures you have a continuous operation. Socialism's flaw is thinking the proletariate are thrown their bone for labor, and the bourgeois absorbs the remainder of the profit by sales. They ignore all the other stuff that is expense from the gross profit, and not from the labor, which, typically, can be as much as 40 of the gross. Socialism thinks the other 60% is net profit for the bourgeois.
Well, Satan operates exactly the same way, even convincing followers that he does not even exist, and it's their show, completely but for a few incidentals. Incidentals like, you just kissed your freedom of thought ands action goodbye. And that, my friend, has been around a lot longer than the 60s.  The 60s just packaged it and sold it as "new & improved."
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a practice already ancient in the first century,
Have you ever considered the original hebrew translation (and concept) of the word "satan" itself?

The word does not occur in the Book of Genesis, which mentions only a talking serpent and does not identify the serpent with any supernatural entity. The first occurrence of the word "satan" in the Hebrew Bible in reference to a supernatural figure comes from Numbers 22:22, which describes the Angel of Yahweh confronting Balaam on his donkey: "Balaam's departure aroused the wrath of Elohim, and the Angel of Yahweh stood in the road as a satan against him." In 2 Samuel 24, Yahweh sends the "Angel of Yahweh" to inflict a plague against Israel for three days, killing 70,000 people as punishment for David having taken a census without his approval. 1 Chronicles 21:1 repeats this story, but replaces the "Angel of Yahweh" with an entity referred to as "a satan". [LINK]
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Have you ever considered the original hebrew translation (and concept) of the word "satan" itself?
I have. Satan has a number of names, As I'm sure you're aware. Only, the "original" Hebrew is text that cannot be dated to any earlier than 7 to 8 centuries BCE, so, we can only guess at authenticity to more ancient texts we simply do not have. Yet. Hope springs eternal. You might be intrigued to read a short book of 8 chapters called the Book of Moses, contained in the Pearl of Great Price. Google "text the pearl of great price" --- When you have the time

Meanwhile, I was really intrigued by Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ," putting Satan in Gethsemane, and walking along behind the crowd as Jesus carries the cross to Golgotha; not at all biblical concepts. I've been trying to find where the idea of those non-encounters [there really isn't a direct encounter in either scene] came from, but have not yet found it. Regardless, it made me wonder: where else would Satan be during the two events that would best hinder his efforts. I conclude satan would have been nowhere else but those two locations, considering the biblical account of his temptation of Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus even began his ministry. As Jesus is ending his ministry, Satan does... what? He goes fishing? I don't think so.
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I was really intrigued by Mel Gibson's "Passion of Christ," putting Satan in Gethsemane, and walking along behind the crowd as Jesus carries the cross to Golgotha; not at all biblical concepts. I've been trying to find where the idea of those non-encounters [there really isn't a direct encounter in either scene] came from, but have not yet found it. Regardless, it made me wonder: where else would Satan be during the two events that would best hinder his efforts. I conclude satan would have been nowhere else but those two locations, considering the biblical account of his temptation of Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus even began his ministry.
Yes,

The concept of "the opponent" is naturally a personification of one's inner doubt and negative self-talk.

The externalization of a character's inner doubt by fabricating (screenwriting) that doubt as a "person" (an opponent) makes it much easier for an audience to process.

When books are converted into movies, the main character's inner dialogue is often written into the mouths of the people who happen to be nearby.
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Book of Moses, contained in the Pearl of Great Price.
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I think my religion is Lutheran, but I'm not sure if it's a religion because it's not on this site. Is it a religion? 
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It is, its a branch of Protestantism - which is a form of Christianity which branched off from Catholicism whenever Martin Luthor objected to the oppression of the Catholic Church, the practice of not giving the public bibles, and a lot of their interpretations of the bible; generally following Luthor's interpretations.