trump might stand a chance with this texas law suit

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@Greyparrot
I'm just saying, casting doubt on the legitimacy of elections started 4 years ago, not nov 2020
People have contested elections way before 2016. But did anyone, in 2016 (or prior), file 50+ law suits, contact state governors and state legislatures to override the votes cast in those states? There is simply no comparison to what is going on now to anything that has happened in the past.

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Your opinion does not understand what treason is. Are dead people allowed to vote? Are people allowed to vote more than once? Are people allowed to vote in more than one state? How do you count more votes than there are registered voters? How do states change their election rules without the benefit of their legislators doing it?  How are votes on ballots changed? 

But, none of that happened, did it? 
If it did happen, no one has yet shown that it has. In fact, plenty of the above has been actively debunked/disproven.

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I'm not talking about "contesting" an election.

I am talking about the rhetoric of an illegitimate president and an illegitimate election.

That didn't start in 2020. 2016 and 1860 are good examples.





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@Greyparrot
My point stands. What is happening now, today, is unique and unconscionable.
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 unconscionable.

Whatevs. 1860 was fine tho bruh.
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I haven't said anything about 1860. Do you denounce what is happening by Trump now, in 2020?
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I am talking about the rhetoric of an illegitimate president and an illegitimate election.

That didn't start in 2020.
wow, republicans really do have short memories. They spent the entirety of Obama's presidency saying he was illegetimate. Trump himself spent YEARS saying he was born in kenya and that he had evidence of it. 

But yes, please tell me how trump is the victim of a trend he in no way massively fueled.... Man republicans love to whine and cry. 
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Nah, 2016 is the norm for elections now. 

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What is happening now didn't happen in 2016, do you condone what is happening now? Why do you seem to have a problem addressing today instead of deflecting to other elections?
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You, you, and you [I think that means you] brought up Kammie Harris; not me. That lays her open to discussion, doesn't it. I know her history, and it is entirely the creation of Willie Brown. Sorery; that's fact. How she got it is also history, and that's a fact. You choose to call it sexist; that's on you. 
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So, what's wrong with the stereotype of gender. Y'all have so many of them, they can spread the wealth around, yeah? I don't buy P.C, and do not cave to it as a necessary restriction. Freedom of speech, yeah? Means what it says, PC be damned.
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We're supposed to believe that re-counting by the same method as the original count is supposed to yield the same result? Einstein had a word to say about that: insanity.
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Because every election going forward is "illegitimate." 

You doubt it?

This is objectively where the Overton window is for the near future.

Just like the fashion of character assassinating SCOTUS picks since Robert Bork.
Once that Overton Window is open, it's very hard to go back. 
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Because every election going forward is "illegitimate." 

You doubt it?
Oh I fully agree that the Trumpers are laying the framework for delegitimizing elections from here on out.

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We're supposed to believe that re-counting by the same method as the original count is supposed to yield the same result? Einstein had a word to say about that: insanity.
That's... that's not what he said. It's doing the same thing and expecting a different result. In any event, there is no proof for the things you say happened.
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Oh I fully agree that the Trumpers are laying the framework for delegitimizing elections from here on out.

Absolutely.

This is objectively where the Overton window is for the near future.
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@drafterman
there is no proof for the things you say happened.
Yes,  I erred. Different results, but my argument still stands. You should have been around in January of 1610 when Galileo announced the heresy that Jupiter's moons had the audacity to orbit Jupiter instead of Earth. The Church, then the Second Estate, and, for the masses, virtually the First Estate, threw Galileo into house arrest for his audacity to belittle Earth. Oops. The Church's authority, notwithstanding, was pitifully in error. An honest, unbiased investigation will find the same in the 2020 vote. The recounts were not that.

Bottom line, you have the freedom of your beliefs. You've no proof that these so-called voting events did not happen. 

Not to mention that, when it all shakes out, Joe Biden is not your President. He's already caving to the idea that it will be Kammie Harris. He even said it during the campaign. At least twice. Oh, boy, won't that be a laugh a second
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Yes,  I erred. Different results,
You haven't erred as much as you have willingly spread misinformation.
but my argument still stands.
Well, since your argument is based upon baseless conspiracies, it doesn't stand.
You should have been around in January of 1610 when Galileo announced the heresy that Jupiter's moons had the audacity to orbit Jupiter instead of Earth. The Church, then the Second Estate, and, for the masses, virtually the First Estate, threw Galileo into house arrest for his audacity to belittle Earth. Oops. The Church's authority, notwithstanding, was pitifully in error. An honest, unbiased investigation will find the same in the 2020 vote. The recounts were not that.

Bottom line, you have the freedom of your beliefs. You've no proof that these so-called voting events did not happen. 
Some of them have been actively debunked, yes.

Not to mention that, when it all shakes out, Joe Biden is not your President. He's already caving to the idea that it will be Kammie Harris. He even said it during the campaign. At least twice. Oh, boy, won't that be a laugh a second
Who is Kammie Harris? I'm not aware of anyone by that name on the ticket.
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it would actually be a major win for democracy that voter fraud gets shut down
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And who says they are baseless conspiracies? You? Does a laugh track come with that?

Who is Kammie Harris?
The alternate idiot running with Hidin' Biden

Is it a conspiracy theory that 17 states have joined the Texas v GA/GA/MI/WI lawsuit, including PA? And this lawsuit is not about your so-called  conspiracy theories. It's about states changing their voting rules without the proper changes through legislation. Neither governors nor secty's of state are part of their state legislatures.
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I don't buy P.C. either...I'm just happy to sit on the fence and let other people get on with what they want to do.

If someone wishes to assume something, then that is up to them.....Though, I will support their right to have the freedom to assume....Rather than support those that would choose to deprive such freedoms.
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it would actually be a major win for democracy that voter fraud gets shut down
maybe, assuming there was voter fraud. But even then, stealing an election by using the court to appoint a winner is functionally no different that stealing an election any other way. 

But given that trump's team have launched dozens of lawsuits and have yet to show any evidence of voter fraud, that isn't the case. Throwing out a democratic election and having the courts just decide who gets to be in charge is the kind of stuff banana republics do. That is what the republicans want. They want to destroy democracy now that it is inconvenient. 

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Guess you just can't trust authority these days.
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And who says they are baseless conspiracies? You? Does a laugh track come with that?
The fact that you've provided no base for them. That is what makes them baseless: by not having a basis in fact.


Who is Kammie Harris?
The alternate idiot running with Hidin' Biden
That's not her name.

Is it a conspiracy theory that 17 states have joined the Texas v GA/GA/MI/WI lawsuit, including PA?
That's literally what a conspiracy is. And no, PA has not joined in the lawsuit against itself. The 17 states that have joined with Texas are: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah and West Virginia.

And this lawsuit is not about your so-called  conspiracy theories.
Yes it is:

  • It references the conspiracy about mail voter fraud ("States have astrong interest in safeguarding against fraud invoting by mail during Presidential elections"; the entireties of Sections II and III);
  • It references the conspiracy about illegal votes being cast and counted ("'Everyvoter' in a federal election, 'has a right under theConstitution to have his vote fairly counted, withoutits being distorted by fraudulently cast votes.'");
It's about states changing their voting rules without the proper changes through legislation. Neither governors nor secty's of state are part of their state legislatures.
The offices of the Department of State and any election boards are created either through the states' constitution or through some statute which defines their powers and responsibilities. This may or may not give them such leeway as to have made the changes they made. This would require careful analysis of the respective statutes in each state and the specific actions. Point being: it is not as simple as saying: "they did something without going through the legislature, ergo it's wrong."

What's curious is why said states waited until after the election to bring the suit and why the suit is not being brought against any other state that performed similarly.

In any event, this would be an internal matter to be taken up by that state, not by other states throwing a hissy fit because they lost.
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That's literally what a conspiracy is.

Ok, reign in the hyperbole Juuuust a tad at the expense of like to dislike ratios.

First off..it's not unlawful to take a case to court. Secondly, everyone can publicly see this case after the judges see it.


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Guess you just can't trust authority these days.
which authority would that be? The lunatics on fox news screaming about fraud, but then are conspicuously unable to provide a single shred of actual evidence of it? You must be a real sucker to believe all that bullshit when every judge, every election official and trump's own justice department keep shooting down every lame conspiracy theory. But I guess when you are in a cult, reality really doesn't matter. Only the world of the orange man matters. and if he says it's fraud, reality (and democracy) be damned right?

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I didn't say anything about unlawful.
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The fact that you've provided no base for them. That is what makes them baseless: by not having a basis in fact.
I'l note, for the record, that you've not provided any "base" either. I'm just not the one beating the dead horse about it. As I said, why should I believe you? 
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Called it:


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Because in the US, it's the criminal accusation that requires a basis, not the converse.