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@drafterman
I did luck out in getting Ragnar NP2. Having cop in mason PM to feed results to is a GREAT boon.
That was huge. Also funny because you almost waived it lol
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@Vader
lol. You miss a lot of detail when you pop in DP3 and have to try and catch up on everything and also contribute or else you get lynched
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@MisterChris
True. But at least you have "self awareness."
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@Speedrace
Btw GG to you. In the end you convinced everyone that you were town besides me, so fair play to you. I guess my lack of self awareness really caught up to me
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@Vader
Lol gg
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@Vader
You spent the entirety of DP2 securely tying your own noose, then the entirety of DP3 placing it neatly around your neck.
The only reason you weren't lynched DP4 was because tailor obfuscated the number of maf.
So instead of whining about people calling you out for your lack of awareness, why not actually take head of the criticism and use it to improve your play?
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@Lunatic
I'm confused as to the parameters of the Tailor role. How was Speed able to Tailor Mikal as his actual role but different wincon (a wincon that wasn't even in the game)?
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@drafterman
I can write anything, at one point Mikal tried to convince me to tailor WF as a meme lol
We wrote Chris, Mikal, and WF's pms
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@drafterman
The tailor role ive known and understand is that it gives mafia full reign to tamper a body without really any parameters. Thats at least the one i remember from DDO.
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@Speedrace
So glad you guys didnt so that lol
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@Speedrace
Those pms were funny but cringe
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@Lunatic
Lolllll
Oh wow. Yeah, I really don't want to hear about this game being town-sided. That kind of tailor is extremely powerful and almost impossible to discover.
I was thinking of the EpicMafia tailor where you basically you pick another role PM in the game and when that person dies they flip with that role PM.
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@drafterman
You spent the entirety of DP2 securely tying your own noose, then the entirety of DP3 placing it neatly around your neck.
So I am not allowed to question whether or not something could be contrived or not? Last time I accepted the norm the thing I theorized was right? I didn't pursue your lynch in DP3, did I? Am I not allowed to give an alternative to something? Did I put my vote on Chris after he claimed versus sticking with you
The only reason you weren't lynched DP4 was because tailor obfuscated the number of maf.So instead of whining about people calling you out for your lack of awareness, why not actually take head of the criticism and use it to improve your play?
conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.
My motive was to win. And yep I just can't take valid criticism
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4666-bastard-states-mafia-endgame?page=1&post_number=2
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@Vader
So I am not allowed to question whether or not something could be contrived or not? Last time I accepted the norm the thing I theorized was right? I didn't pursue your lynch in DP3, did I? Am I not allowed to give an alternative to something? Did I put my vote on Chris after he claimed versus sticking with you
You're allowed to do whatever you want. I never said you're not allowed to play badly, I'm just suggesting that maybe, you try not to.
conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.My motive was to win. And yep I just can't take valid criticism
Yes, those are good examples of self-awareness that you've displayed. So where is it now?
So I am not allowed to question whether or not something could be contrived or not? Last time I accepted the norm the thing I theorized was right? I didn't pursue your lynch in DP3, did I? Am I not allowed to give an alternative to something? Did I put my vote on Chris after he claimed versus sticking with youYou're allowed to do whatever you want. I never said you're not allowed to play badly, I'm just suggesting that maybe, you try not to.
You think it’s bad because you are looking at it from your shoes, where you know your town versus my shoes, where I know that I’m town.
conscious knowledge of one's own character, feelings, motives, and desires.My motive was to win. And yep I just can't take valid criticismYes, those are good examples of self-awareness that you've displayed. So where is it now?
I’m sorry I was too aggressive on your lynch after we had no info from DP1 besides the cop results you outted last minute versus the beginning of the DP. I should’ve just believe you and known my place is this feudal society.
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@Vader
You think it’s bad because you are looking at it from your shoes, where you know your town versus my shoes, where I know that I’m town.
No, I think it's bad because your argument was objectively bad. I was trying to walk you through how, but you just couldn't be arsed to actually analyze the validity of your own argument.
I’m sorry I was too aggressive on your lynch after we had no info from DP1 besides the cop results you outted last minute versus the beginning of the DP. I should’ve just believe you and known my place is this feudal society.
This is the lack of self-awareness I'm talking about.
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@Speedrace
Re: Tailors, do they get to come up with the role description + role or is it a pre-determined one? Cuz if you can make up anything you want for how someone flips, then all the investigative roles in the world don't help town IMO. You could say someone is a flavored cop or make up a role that would necessarily have a partner attached and then claim to be the partner, no?
Lol should've went with my gut, Mikal pointed out that the DP wasn't up and Rag was the only one not online but I decided to do Pie anyway
I've been coming up with ways to psyche people out when I mod so these things become irrelevant. I think it's completely fair game to look at these clues but not within the spirit of Mafia. I will probably go out of my way to give role PMs that are not standard to anyone and ask for night actions ahead of time so that nobody can utilize "who's online" to figure out game mechanics. In fact I'll probably go out of my way to make things like that not relevant. It's so weak lol probs why town can't play for shit without this stuff.
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@Danielle
Re: Tailors, do they get to come up with the role description + role or is it a pre-determined one? Cuz if you can make up anything you want for how someone flips, then all the investigative roles in the world don't help town IMO. You could say someone is a flavored cop or make up a role that would necessarily have a partner attached and then claim to be the partner, no?
Yeah we could say anything, if we wanted to we could've made WF flip as "lel biden 2020"
And that's true to an extent; it has to be believable.
I've been coming up with ways to psyche people out when I mod so these things become irrelevant. I think it's completely fair game to look at these clues but not within the spirit of Mafia.
Yeah I try to prevent this as well. That's why I'm perpetually offline on Discord lol
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@drafterman
You think it’s bad because you are looking at it from your shoes, where you know your town versus my shoes, where I know that I’m town.No, I think it's bad because your argument was objectively bad. I was trying to walk you through how, but you just couldn't be arsed to actually analyze the validity of your own argument.
Your argument for why Elm was scum before you outted the cop results was subjective. Any read based off behavior is subjective in mafia.
I’m sorry I was too aggressive on your lynch after we had no info from DP1 besides the cop results you outted last minute versus the beginning of the DP. I should’ve just believe you and known my place is this feudal society.This is the lack of self-awareness I'm talking about.
I don't feel the need to apologize for something that doesn't need criticism (eg: questioning you and scum reading you, but then voting other people that objectively make sense to lynch)
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@Vader
Your argument for why Elm was scum before you outted the cop results was subjective. Any read based off behavior is subjective in mafia.
I'm talking about your argument and why it was objectively bad.
I don't feel the need to apologize for something that doesn't need criticism (eg: questioning you and scum reading you, but then voting other people that objectively make sense to lynch)
No one is asking for an apology. You've demonstrated self-awareness in the past, I'm asking you to demonstrate it now.
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@Greyparrot
Thanks GP! Very cool!
Your argument for why Elm was scum before you outted the cop results was subjective. Any read based off behavior is subjective in mafia.I'm talking about your argument and why it was objectively bad.
Sorry I don't think it was in DP2. It was objectively bad because it ended up being wrong.
I don't feel the need to apologize for something that doesn't need criticism (eg: questioning you and scum reading you, but then voting other people that objectively make sense to lynch)No one is asking for an apology. You've demonstrated self-awareness in the past, I'm asking you to demonstrate it now.
My argument was wrong
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@Vader
Sorry I don't think it was in DP2. It was objectively bad because it ended up being wrong.
It was objectively wrong in DP2 before being revealed that it was wrong. I'm willing to demonstrate this if you're willing to listen.
My argument was wrong
You can't say it's both not wrong and wrong in the same post, man.
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@drafterman
Yeah sorry didn't mean any of that stuff. Had to call the bluff because I figured you had a result. Making town think you tunneled me for personal stuff forced it to come out.
Ironically enough we had like a 10 page discussion over this. We won this dp2 (very likely). I just didn't notice 3 voted were on supa. If I did the game was over there
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@That1User
Thanks GP! Very cool!
Poor that1 :·{
Yo the Tailor role is mad OP! I'm not bitter about it cuz it was still a great game, but I feel like if you have a living Tailor it could be very easy to win. For instance the mafia in this game could have just made Elminster flip town. Then drafter would have said Ragnar was scum and we'd kill the cop.
Next someone could claim Tracker let's say and mafia could CC the real Tracker. Upon the townie's fake flip, the mafia Tracker is "confirmed" innocent. There are so many ways I could think to utilize that role but damn if any mafia team ever loses with a living Tailor they suck ass. You could delegitimize every single read and every single result.
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@Danielle
Yo the Tailor role is mad OP! I'm not bitter about it cuz it was still a great game, but I feel like if you have a living Tailor it could be very easy to win. For instance the mafia in this game could have just made Elminster flip town. Then drafter would have said Ragnar was scum and we'd kill the cop.
Nah b/c Mikal saying *kill Supa* made it obv he wasn't town. But you're right that it is an OP role
You could also manipulate everything the town thinks they know about game mechanics, i.e. in this game we thought there was a non-joint TP. Dang that role is bad ass lol it should be like a solo mafia player having that role. Still an awesome game though. Well balanced for all intents and purposes.