Is teaching kids about Hell moral?

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Is it right to tell their child that they will burn for eternity if they do not believe a God for which there is no evidence to? Even if God was real, is it right to tell them that they will burn in fire forever for lying, something that all of us have done before?

I do not think it is right to enforce this ideology, especially since it’s so morbid, on a small child simply because you believe in it and want to pass it on. 
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Or is it wrong to just ignore the truth of the future and say nothing?

If we offer no warnings - then we are negligent and evil. 


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But surely telling a kid they will burn in a pit of fire forever for lying is a bit extreme, especially since their is no evidence about a physical Hell. 
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I don't know anyone who would tell anyone - a kid or an adult that they will burn for lying. 

But if people are going to talk about heaven - as  a place that people go to when they die -and people do that all of the time. Then talking about Hell is just as relevant.



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Sounds like it boils down to "yes unless it's real"
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yes it is extreme to a young child
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I preach about Hell at times. But only when it comes up in the text I am talking about.  I don't use it as a means of "guilt manipulation though.  There is no point to guilting people into the kingdom of heaven, because it would not be a real conversion.  

I  also preach about heaven, when it comes up in the text.  But I do not preach about heaven as a means to try and say - look how cool it is - you should come there. 

The gospel is not just about the ends. It is about the means.  This is fundamentally one of the reasons why it cannot be considered a socialist notion.  Socialism is an ends based worldview. The Gospel is not. 


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Is it right to tell their child that they will burn for eternity

Who does that? or perhaps a better question.... do you personally know anybody who does this?

if they do not believe a God for which there is no evidence to?

That's not why souls can spend time in hell. Hell is for criminals, hells are simply astral prisons. So when you inform someone about possible consequences for criminal behavior, you are informing them that there are places located in the afterlife for those who commit crimes against creation. We have prisons and jails on earth to reduce the threat of criminal activity and this same premise extends to other parts of creation....or the "afterlife".
It's not meant as some threat or scare tactic, the information is there so that we have access to knowledge of what exists. However, it has nothing to do with beliefs rather it serves the purpose of maintaining control over places within creation.

Even if God was real, is it right to tell them that they will burn in fire forever for lying, something that all of us have done before?

It is not right because it's only a half truth, but again do you know anyone personally who does that or are you just making it up because you think people do that?

I do not think it is right to enforce this ideology, especially since it’s so morbid, on a small child simply because you believe in it and want to pass it on.

If you know someone who is telling their child they will burn for eternity for lying they are simply portraying an inaccurate depiction, so I would also say it's borderline abuse. When you threaten an innocent child with inaccurate information you yourself are in danger of your own words. Now that's the reality of cause and effect.
The Bible lumps in liars with workers of iniquity (criminals) as well as unbelievers but that doesn't mean that people who have lied or people who have no reasons for believing in God go to hell. That's a misconception, even if it were claimed within spiritual texts it's simply untrue.
If you study religion as a whole you get a better understanding or a more wholistic view of what is true, because often times a single source may have only bits of information. Astral prisons are foretold in almost all religious sources including Buddhism and Hinduism, and there are levels of hell and the severity of punishment is congruent with the crime committed. The misconception that sentences in hell are eternal for finite crimes is a shame and like you alluded to is a means to scare people for the wrong reasons.

Had you opened up this topic in a different manner it could have been much more enlightening. Like for example below...

What is hell?

What purpose does it serve?

Who goes there?

For what reasons do they go there?

Should such information be made known?

To whom should it be made known to?

Where are hells?

Are they eternal?

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@Tradesecret
 

I  also preach about heaven, when it comes up in the text.  But I do not preach about heaven as a means to try and say - look how cool it is - you should come there. 

 What do you actually say when you preach/ teach about heaven. Reverend?  I ask because the word is mentioned in the New Testament over two hundred times but says very little about this place other than call it "my fathers house" and lots of mansions.

So, what do you preach about it?  What goes on there?  Where is it actually?  what does one actually do for all eternity?   I believe one of the most intriguing and puzzleing  references to "heaven"  is the coming and going of beings on a ladder.  But I could have that mistaken for something else. 

And to keep with the question in the OP  It all seems very contradictory that we have our sins washed away if we repent and are baptised and the bible doubles down on this by telling us Jesus, gods only son and also god at the same time  himself was  sacrificed and  died  and that too saved us from our sins. So why is anyone going to hell? 



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And to keep with the question in the OP  It all seems very contradictory that we have our sins washed away if we repent and are baptised and the bible doubles down on this by telling us Jesus, gods only son and also god at the same time  himself was  sacrificed and  died  and that too saved us from our sins. So why is anyone going to hell? 
If you took the time to read the passages about baptism, you would have noticed that John the Baptist makes a very interesting point which you just omit to talk about. 

He says "I wash you with water - but he who comes after me - will wash you with the Holy Spirit". 

Now Stephen, This is John indicating to us that his own baptism, the one he performs is deficient.  Last time i raised this - you intentionally took us on a wild goose chase - exploring John's own personal baptism and authority. But you glossed over this. 

John is telling us that the Messiah's baptism - with the Holy Spirit is what they are waiting for.   

John was preparing the Jews for Jesus.   Now if John is saying his was deficient and that the Messiah's was necessary - then your question about sin being washed away without Jesus' baptism is answered.  John washed the outside - Jesus washes the heart. Unless the heart is cleansed, then reconciliation with God is not possible. The implication of remaining unreconciled is separation and whatever that means - which I take to mean a non-believer living in darkness and sin here in this life, and then Hell in the next. 


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I do not think it is right to enforce this ideology, especially since it’s so morbid, on a small child simply because you believe in it and want to pass it on. 
So then is it what is wrong to teach to the childrens about sexing no but you dont tell them that they have to wak their doolie into womens. So you dont tell childrens that they will go to hell if they play the mortil kombat all the time you just say wow it is getting to be warm in here when you die.
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I do not think it is right to enforce this ideology, especially since it’s so morbid, on a small child simply because you believe in it and want to pass it on. 
So then is it what is wrong to teach to the childrens about sexing no but you dont tell them that they have to wak their doolie into womens. So you dont tell childrens that they will go to hell if they play the mortil kombat all the time you just say wow it is getting to be warm in here when you die.
Utanity - Are you for real?  Are you another charade in this place?  There are enough charades around here without adding to them.  


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I accept Trade at face value and I accept Utanity at face value.

The only difference that I see, is that Trade's illogic is somewhat more eloquently presented  that Utanity's illogic.


Though like a lot of Dart users, Utanity feels unable to give us even their most basic of details, such as age, gender and place of residence....Which always makes one sceptical.


And hell in the traditional sense, is as illogical as heaven.

And teach your kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.
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And teach your kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.
You teach your kids about mortil kombat and texting and sexting and going to the mall on the sundays then they will grow up as scum and do scummie things for the rest of the live.
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Utanity - Are you for real?  Are you another charade in this place?  There are enough charades around here without adding to them.  

You can take mikey if you want but when you say dumb thing like when john he baptises with water isnt doing baptising then your charade is in the other place what is not in this planet.
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My kids are 35 and 33.....One is a Pharmacist and the other is a Social Worker...They text but don't play techno games.

As for sexting......Who knows what hormonally driven organisms get up to in their free time....Are you left handed or right handed?

And referring to my kids as scum, makes you just about the scummiest Dart member that I have encountered thus far.

And we don't have Mall's in the U.K. ....We have Shopping Centres.
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And to keep with the question in the OP  It all seems very contradictory that we have our sins washed away if we repent and are baptised and the bible doubles down on this by telling us Jesus, gods only son and also god at the same time  himself was  sacrificed and  died  and that too saved us from our sins. So why is anyone going to hell? 
If you took the time to read the passages about baptism,

Well that's a good start Reverend.

You cannot help yourself can you. You know dam well I have read the passages. I have even created  many threads  on John the Baptist/baptism alone , have you?   And you wonder why when I come back at you,  that you  start feeling "humiliated" and "mocked" and  "attacked". 

You came to my last thread with exactly this attitude, you started by asking me  "If I could read" LOOK HERE>>>.  here #4 & #5 asking me and If I had"actually read the story "  And you  soon got made to look a complete pillock on that thread twice!!!!  caused by you own ignorant attitude here>>>>  #8

  Do you tutor all of your university students by opening with such fkn insults!!!! Do you start by asking them "  can any of you here at this adult place of learning and literacy even read". ? 
And you tell us that they pay you!? >>> "   "I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them". #20.  

 Well I wouldn't pay you in fkn rusty washers? 

 And you have avoided this question too. WHY?  Because it was the easier option of the two, that is why isn't it, Reverend?   


I  also preach about heaven, when it comes up in the text.  But I do not preach about heaven as a means to try and say - look how cool it is - you should come there. 

 What do you actually say when you preach/ teach about heaven. Reverend?  I ask because the word is mentioned in the New Testament over two hundred times but says very little about this place other than call it "my fathers house" and lots of mansions.

So, what do you preach about it?  What goes on there?  Where is it actually?  what does one actually do for all eternity?   I believe one of the most intriguing and puzzling  references to "heaven"  is the coming and going of beings on a ladder.  But I could have that mistaken for something else. 







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And referring to my kids as scum, makes you just about the scummiest Dart member that I have encountered thus far.

You are using the gilt trip trick and is not to be fair. I do not no you kids from soap bars and I did not say nothing about you kids you should give apology for using you own kids and using my kids like that and be ashamed of what you do.
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Talk about using the guilt trip trick.
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And teach your kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.
There are of course certain things we just don't know by observation. One of them being what happens after death. There are also somethings we don't understand that sometimes get written off as superstition, but some things we follow anyway because they work. Hell is not a picking the right/wrong door (door A-right god, door B-wrong god, door-C I don't know what/if god, D-no god). It's about violating a law.

Murphy's Law we can generally write off as coincidental. I can accept that the light doesn't turn red because I'm in a hurry. Or green because I'm trying to waste time. It sure seems like it at times, but a lot these things can be written off as false perceptions.

A lot of people, religious or not, still seem to follow the principle of what eastern religion calls karma, we Christians call reaping what you sow, etc. I've heard of non-religious folk giving because they seem to prosper more when doing so.

That being said, suppose a loved one told you that when they were stingy with money, they struggled financially. When they started practicing giving, they found themselves prospering financially.

Would you tell that person what they were doing was ridiculous? That their financial state does not depend on their charity?
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Talk about using the guilt trip trick.
Okay but I dont think it is nice to talk about because when you use your children it is not nice. Also you tell me that I teach my kids nonsense and that they will grow up believing the nonsense. So that is why you use the gilt trip because maybe you had some problems when you were the kid so you wanna get back to the others now.
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The proposal Checkmate makes that either a person believes in God, or will burn in hell, leaves a huge field of potential that is left unsaid. Are those the only two choices available? No. Mere belief is not so powerful. In fact, belief does not compel one to action at all. Belief is that weak. Therefore, the matter of belief cannot determine whether or not a person burns in hell for simple belief. What one believes can change with the direction of the wind. What if, otherwise, a person lives an exemplary life, kind and good to all, grateful for their contribution to his/her life. No, that person who may also not believe in God is not going to hell. In fact, the assumption of that kind of good character shows its a personal decision to be that good, and not because they want to avoid hell. I advised my children that, though I know God exists, I wanted them to find out for themselves, because I cannot force their beliefs or their knowledge. I will encourage, I showed my children exactly how I came to know, but I told them that knowledge is a personal journey each must make for themselves, and not because of anyone else.
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Nope, I had a wonderful childhood....And my kids are doing just fine thanks....And hopefully you treat your kids with kindness and respect too.

So can you actually prove that the Christianity Story is not non-sense?.....If you can, you will be the first to do it.

And don't just quote the bible, because the bible was compiled by fallible people.
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So can you actually prove that the Christianity Story is not non-sense?
You make no sense nonsense because what is the Christian story and if there is the christian story you cant ask me to actually prove that it is not nonsense because you maked the positive insertion so you must prove the nonsense positive insertion.
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How you teach them about hell  is more important.
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If you look for "hell" in the Bible, you're in for a long, fruitless search for facts, definitions and explanations. Why? Because the Hebrew prophets never mentioned a place where human beings would writhe in eternal torment, gnashing their teeth forever. Nor did the Hebrew prophets ever mention even the slightest possibility of suffering after death. Isn't that extremely odd, if there really is a hell and God wanted us to know how to avoid it? The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) mentions a place called Sheol, but the Hebrew word Sheol clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." The same is true in the New Testament, where the Greek word Hades also clearly means "the grave" or "the abode of all the dead, good and bad." Nor does Gehenna mean "hell" .  So "hell" is not a biblical teaching at all, but a harrowing mistranslation now being used by charlatans to brainwash believers into forking over their hard-earned money while obeying commandments they never bothered to observe themselves. (It seems hell hath no fury like a hypocritical moralist out to control other people's behavior.) Unfortunately, the innocents who suffer most from this hellish dogma are highly impressionable young children who trust their parents, pastors, youth directors and Sunday School teachers to guide them to the truth ... when the simple, honest truth is that there is no "hell" in the Bible!
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So how would you teach ur child that they can burn for eternity for lying. 
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By teaching them that their actions  bring consequences  whether it be from lying or any other wrong doing. Teaching about hell does not need to be terrifying for them.
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If you told a child they will burn for eternity with Satan for lying, I'm pretty sure that, instead of striving for excellence, they would be terrified. Watch the following if you need clarification.