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The following are very summarised responses to common arguments Pro-Choice individuals use. 

I have no obligation to them. You can say that about your 3 year old child. 

The unborn are clump of cells. So are you, you're reducible to cellular structures. Also, this does not excuse 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions, which involve much more than an unrecognisable clump of cells. 

The unborn don't feel pain. Does this mean painlessly gassing people to death is moral?

Women have a right to comfort. Does this mean a murder is allowed to burn a village down for their personal comfort? 

They are dependent on the mother to live. Babies are dependent on their mothers outside of the womb. The elderly are dependent on their caretakers outside of the womb. 

Abortion is deeply personal. Murder can also be deeply personal. 

I can't afford them or I don't think they will have a good life without me. Does this mean I will be doing good if I murder starving African children? Does this mean I will be doing good if I murder homeless people?

They will be born with terrible disabilities. Does this mean I can go to a disability learning center mow all the disabled kids down?

They are not alive yet. Not according to the science of embryology. Nevertheless, when do you believe human life begins then?

Banning abortion puts women at risk by forcing them to use illegal abortionists. That’s like saying “banning cocaine means I have to get impure cocaine of the streets, you should legalise it so I can get access to the real and pure columiun stuff. 

Women have a right to abort their baby to reach their full potential. Abortion is not something which happens spontaniously, you don’t wake up with a baby in your womb. If a women really cares about reaching their full potential, maybe they should use contraception or just walk away from sex. 

Men cannot have opinions of a womanly matter. Does this mean doctors cannot have opinions on womanly matters? Does this mean a commentator cannot have an opinion on a game which he is not playing? Does this mean I am not allowed to intervene when my neighbor kicks their dog, which doesn’t affect me what so ever?

Women have a right to their bodies. This is completely true. However, the fetus is a different body unless you believe a pregnant woman has 20 fingers and 2 brains. 

So there you have it. All the arguments I have heard in favour of abortion. Please feel free to add more to the list for me to debunk. 
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I am pro-life, generally against abortions. But instead of bashing women for having abortions, I support giving women methods of replacement.
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I cannot say the same. I tend to enjoy bashing baby killers. 
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what methods exactly?

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More available contraceptions. That is one method.

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its already avalaibale in full capacity
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What about expanding access? Studies have shown that free birth control decreases teenage pregnancies, (6.3 per 1000 compared to 34.1 per 1000), also, free birth control could save taxpayers 11 billion dollars by reducing unwanted pregnancies.

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You're missing the point. The main issue is not providing alternatives, that should be the second priority. The issue is the killing of human lives. Honestly, if you can't afford 50 cent rubber or birth control for 50 bucks month, then you've got some serious financial issues which you should be worrying about more than having sex. 

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Have you thought in the women’s perspectives?

No one abort for fun, at least, little to none. They abort because they HAVE A PROBLEM in their body that they cannot afford to solve by not aborting. We should provide a solution for them. 

Should prisons focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment if they want prisoners to become a functioning member of society again? There ya go.
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Have you thought in the women’s perspectives?
I honestly don't care what goes on in a baby killers mind. 

They abort because they HAVE A PROBLEM in their body that they cannot afford to solve by not aborting.
But I don't care about the context of one having an abortion, what I do care is the implication of their actions, which results in the loss of human life. Don't want to have an abortion? Don't have sex. Want to lower the chances of needing an abortion? Use conraception. 

Should prisons focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment if they want prisoners to become a functioning member of society again? 
I fail to see how this is relevant. I personally believe in punishment. 
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That's it. I think we are different enough to have no need to talk on this front unless it is a full-on debate.

If you are brave enough, challenge me. I don't think you will be able to checkmate me whatsoever.

"The death penalty on abortion is ethical", you are Pro, I am Con. Estimating, I think I have a 99% chance of winning this one.
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its already avalaibale in full capacity
Are you sure?

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Please feel free to add more to the list for me to debunk. 
There is nothing immoral about killing a fetus.
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Unless you want to question murder itself, which is a whole other discussion, abortion involves ending a human life, which is immoral.  
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Yeah, why call it immoral?
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Do you believe murder is immoral 

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Morals are concepts and zygotes are flushed unknowingly down the toilet every day.

Pro-lifers only apply morals when they know about it.

And the majority of pro-lifers are all selectively moral anyway.

Same old contradictions.
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So your a baby killer then I assume?
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i fully agree, contraceptives are not the way forward, the way forward is morality


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yes it is and even then that should be the main prevente of killing babies
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no i dont want free brith control
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I don't support abortion unless in the case of rape, or pregnancy in a minor
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Do you believe murder is immoral 
You said I should give reasons and you'd debunk them. Can you debunk the one that says murder isn't wrong?
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Well we have much bigger issues in hand if you believe murder is right. 
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@Checkmate
And I assume that you are typically, selectively moral, and only consider the lives that you want to consider.

So, your emotive plea falls on deaf ears.


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I care about all human lives if that's what you were wondering. 
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That's a glib and very broad claim to make, and not easily lived up to.

There is caring and then there is caring.

The fact is, that you can only care about what you know.

And do you really care so much about all the lives that you might consider?

So let's try and get the measure of you.......Are you a vegetarian?

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I didn't say life, I said human life. I feel have made a forum about meat eating which may interest you. 
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Life is life.... The vessel that it's contained within is only relevant if you wish to apply morals selectively.
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You said,
Please feel free to add more to the list for me to debunk. 
I added one to the list, and you are accusing me of thinking murder is right.

Well we have much bigger issues in hand if you believe murder is right.
You don't know my beliefs. But it was you who asked for more arguments to debunk. The idea that murder is not wrong is an argument. Can I conclude that you cannot debunk it?

This is your thread. You chose the issue. Perhaps you should not have asked for arguments to debunk that you could not debunk?