The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia DP4

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@Speedrace
I realized strengthener makes more sense as scum because it essentially turns any person into a strongman. Ascetic is an obv scum role tho as well so
Gives them a counter to the jailkeeper.

Ascetic gives them a counter to tracker, by having ayya carry out kills.
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@Lunatic
Gives them a counter to the jailkeeper.
Exactly

Ascetic gives them a counter to tracker, by having ayya carry out kills.
Yep but less likely b/c of the bus
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Ascetic gives them a counter to tracker, by having ayya carry out kills.
Yep but less likely b/c of the bus

This is the logic I use when bussing, I can see how powerful it is with statements like this lol. That said, not sure it makes a difference since we can afford to mislynches. We can just lynch both today and tomorrow and its a GG.

Croc's role makes sense since it counters a night kill and my role.
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This is the logic I use when bussing, I can see how powerful it is with statements like this lol. That said, not sure it makes a difference since we can afford to mislynches. We can just lynch both today and tomorrow and its a GG.
xD and yeah

Croc's role makes sense since it counters a night kill and my role.
Yep + it's on my list and I don't see why mafia would get that role. I think he's confirmed as well
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I was thinking Croc was last scum yesterday when he immediately called Sir out. This seems most likely to me.

As I said before, I won't lynch Water. Do with that as you will.
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Croc's role counters town Avenger, in case that wasn't clear.
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fine, vtl water.


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Nvm I still wanna hear about why croc lied.
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Croc's role counters town Avenger, in case that wasn't clear.
Didn't think of that. But mafia almost never gets protective roles, b/c if town is gonna nk a mafia and it fails then they'll just lynch them
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Croc's role counters town Avenger, in case that wasn't clear.
Well yeah, but avenger could miss if he gets a gun, so it looks like it is a failsafe for that as well as for mafia.
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I don't know any of these roles, and for the most part I don't really care. I don't believe Luna or Water are mafia. That leaves Speed/Croc. 

I was immediately suspicious of Croc yesterday. That's who I'd lynch today. If the game isn't over, we could be looking at some sort of mafia role from Speed - something that's delayed so it helps mafia fakeclaim if they last long enough.
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how could speed have known you were the ascetic? Lucky guess?
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You're an Ascetic right

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To be clear, I don't believe roles ever confirm anything. I only follow behavioral evidence. That evidence points to last scum in the group of Croc/Speed, and I'm going to stick with that, regardless of whatever speculation you want to do regarding roles. I'll also note that my current approach is how I've won countless games that otherwise would have been lost, so I feel this is the best approach.

I'll write up extensive town case on both Luna and Water before day ends to make sure they aren't mislynched.

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I didn't say Speed's role is fake. It's real. It also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
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I didn't say Speed's role is fake. It's real. It also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
So mafia got a stalker(rolecop) and a seer? 
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It also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment.
Giving mafia two role cops would severely underpower scum
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I'm ascetic. This is why I said not to target me. I was partly trying to avoid dying from mafia.

Speed's description of his role sounds like something he gets later in the game, not from the start. Delayed list of roles actually provides a lot of benefit to mafia, even with a role cop. 




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Mafia isn't underpowered by any means. I actually think the game is somewhat mafia sided.
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I'll reread to make sure, but I don't see Luna or Water ever flipping scum.
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I think you over value your read in water, much the same way you did with your sir read.
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I'll reread to make sure.
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i can confirm ayyantu is ascetic, i targeted him with strengthener and failed.
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what's a ghoul? mafiascum wiki doesn't say.
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I dont get told, I just said Danielle and then danielle got killed.

so someone might've directly killed danielle as well.
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above
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@Lunatic
nvm that post i just saw croc's claim in dp3
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@Ayyantu
ok, well what i say we do is lynch either speed or lunatic. me and ayyantu confirm each other, and croc's catch on siranon would have to be an extremely risky mafia bus, so that leaves lunatic and speed, we have one mislynch left so we can lynch either lunatic or speed then if it's wrong lynch the remaining one in the next dp. i'd like to vtl speed first preferably because of how much he's agreeing with lunatic right now and because omgus.