Why is murder actually wrong.

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This is evidenced by the fact that we haven't killed murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for a while in the U.S. and society magically still functions. 
I’m sure some beg to differ on that, due to people having different ideas as to what a functioning society looks like.
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I’m sure some beg to differ on that.
Who? I am actually curious.
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You’ve never seen democrats and republicans debate pertaining to what a functioning society looks like?
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You’ve never seen democrats and republicans debate pertaining to what a functioning society looks like?
You learn in Gov class about the rule of law and presence of social order in our society. 

If you really need an answer, we live in a society where there is a set of processes, agreements etc. that are typically followed by people and are protected by rules that have enforcement mechanisms. There are violations of those rules, but most processes i.e. capitalism, government programs and institutions, education still function and those who want to disrupt those processes are discouraged from doing so by the threat of what will happen if they break the rules. This is generally a good description of the U.S. 

This is to be contrasted with a chaotic "society" where processes, institutions, agreements and orders are unlikely to play out for very long because there is no universal rule of law to protect them and no enforcement mechanism to enforce that rule of law. 

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This is evidenced by the fact that we haven't killed murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for a while in the U.S. and society magically still functions. 
We also haven’t imprisoned every murderer, rapist, and pedophile yet society still functions the same way, what’s your point?
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I didn't say "every". I grant you that we don't imprison every murderer, rapist, etc. but we make make and enforce rules with a significant monopoly of force prohibiting murder, rape, etc. 
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we haven't killed murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for a while in the U.S.
How do you know this?
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Are you sure the death penalty is currently prohibited in every state?
No, but if it was there wouldn't be a significant change. 
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I didn't say "every".
No but you said “all” which pretty much means the same thing

Because society won't fall apart if we don't kill all murderers, rapists, and pedophiles.

I grant you that we don't imprison every murderer, rapist, etc. but we make make and enforce rules with a significant monopoly of force prohibiting murder, rape, etc.
I think the death penalty serves that same function.
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I think the death penalty serves that same function.
I think I've already covered this. 

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I think I've already covered this. 
I think you didn’t.

This is evidenced by the fact that we haven't killed murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for a while in the U.S. and society magically still functions.
Well under sadolites view it would function better if we did.
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I think you didn’t.
Ok. 

Well under sadolites view it would function better if we did.
And?

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And?
...And you can’t expect to be convincing with the “functioning” argument considering to him it’s not functioning at its best without the penalty.
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I want society to function to a reasonable extent. I don't need society to function absolutely and in every way. If that were the case I could justify making America look like Oceania for the sake of it functioning better. 
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I don't need society to function absolutely and in every way.

When the police take me out of my home and make me involuntarily donate all of my organs I will be sure to remember that nothing is perfect and I shouldn't be looking for perfection in life.
...Contradiction at its finest 🥱.
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Explain. 
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The former quote discusses a perfect society, and the latter mocks sadolites perfection take, it’s not rocket science.

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Also its hilarious that you've been looking for contradictions in my positions for the last two days (and with most people you could probably find a contradiction in like an hour) and you give me the "🥱" emoji when you think I've found one like it was easy. 
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The former quote discusses a perfect society, and the latter mocks sadolites perfection take, it’s not rocket science.
Well maybe I think that some things are important to make as perfect as possible and some things aren't. 

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You realize that any unjust violation of people is procedurally wrong no matter what the consequences are? But maintaining a functional society is a consequential concept, and the significance of consequences in a moral calculus depends on their severity.
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Well maybe I think that some things are important to make as perfect as possible and some things aren't.
Well in that case I have a right to call you out on that inconsistency if I feel like.
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Well in that case I have a right to call you out on that if I feel like.
You have a right to do whatever you want. 

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Okay good then that settles it.
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I was being hyperbolic, but sure. This probably should have been settled a while ago.
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Unless you feel like the latter half of this discussion has been productive .
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I was being hyperbolic
Yet you question if I’m a troll, interesting 🤔.
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Ironically enough after you said that I started questioning again
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Yeah well you too have a right to question even though you’re wrong if you assume I am.
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I guess I'll never know. 
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...So what did I say that makes you question that?