The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Mafia DP2

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@Crocodile
A Supa-Intel-Bear scum is pretty likely imo. (bear replaced obvi)
I don't see the logic here, Bear voted Supa in the final lynch and VTLd Intel before flipping to Supa, making Intel the prime target for Bear at night, (causing the roleblock), it doesn't make sense for the mafia to devour on each other this hard.

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Because I don't have enough experience or skill as town to even know when pressuring for more claims is a good idea. 
So you're saying you don't know how to play the game? Explain how anyone is ever supposed to read you town if you're only going to jump on other people's analyses. 

 I don't think his claim itself is suspicious

You were mafia with Intel last game. Do you think he came up with his role as a fake claim? Pie said he'd give scum either one fake character OR role claim. So if Intel is scum, he (or Supa) would have had to come up with a role or character to fit that role block trait. Could you see Intel coming up with that and/or do you recognize any trends or traits about how Intel plays as scum vs. how he's playing here? This a way you can contribute to the game without having "a lot of experience or skill." Quite frankly that sounds like a cop out reason for not participating so I'ma keep my vote on you for now.
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VTL Sir for claim
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@Danielle
Last DP I was going to make a post about why I voted for Intel since people kept asking. He was my first choice for a claim for the following reasons:
Is that the post you deleted, and if so, why'd you delete it

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I know I'm town and I wanted to see if water would maintain that position and push for Bearman's lynch if Intel appeared innocent (if not I'd question water on that).
i never supported a bearman lynch

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post #92 by the way, i'm not moving from intel and think he's 100% scum.
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I think Ayyantu and Lunatic are town or TP which I hate worrying about, because they could play pro town and still be scum. I'm wary that Ayyantu doesn't want to be targeted by any night actions, and I don't like that Luna suggested there are only 2 scum (and that it's definitely Intel). Sounds like he was trying to hurry the game along and forgo more analysis. Also, if there's anyone that would pull some kind of gambit in bussing a teammate on DP1 it would be Luna so there's always the potential to be nervous about him. But if I worried about these two for now I feel like it could be a distraction. Keep this in mind if I die though. 
The path of a Luna TP win is optimal, first eliminate Mafia:  DP1) Go aggressive on Supa (guilty) DP2) Target Intel (probably guilty) 
Second divide town by focusing on Bear/That1User: Town is already divided on me, Luna/Croc scumread me, you slight town read me , Ayyu thinks I'm null
Note: Luna went against Croc's Supa-Intel-Bear scum team read,  which blunts this divided town theory, but notes that this might be a good bus, casting doubt
Bear was telling supa that ayyu was basically town confirmed, seeing how desperate supa was for that lynch makes bear look really good in hindsight. Though if intel is scum, this could be a bus to to make bear look good especially since Im sure bear will confirm he was blocked.
What doesn't make sense to me is why Luna didn't note that Bear VTLd Supa (confirmed guilty) and went after Intel (probably guilty)? One mafia going after two mafia doesn't make sense and Luna failed to note that.

What's interesting is how both you and Luna fear TP 
Luna:
I am thinking its more likely a third party

I am pretty convinced intel is scum here, my main worry is for a non joint winning Third party here, but if that happens I guess we can just ignore the win con. Pie was going for 12 players, I think he planned on inclusion of a third party or 3 scum. 2-1-8 isn't neccesarily unbalanced though.
You 4 minutes later:
 think Ayyantu and Lunatic are town or TP which I hate worrying about, because they could play pro town and still be scum. I'm wary that Ayyantu doesn't want to be targeted by any night actions, and I don't like that Luna suggested there are only 2 scum (and that it's definitely Intel). Sounds like he was trying to hurry the game along and forgo more analysis. Also, if there's anyone that would pull some kind of gambit in bussing a teammate on DP1 it would be Luna so there's always the potential to be nervous about him.
Luna is either deflecting TP as TP, genuinely worried of TP as town like you, or wants to get out another TP (I don't know the precedent of 2+ TPs working against each other)
TL,DR: Lunatic has a viable path to win as TP and your logic of suspecting him is sound, question is how much should we be concerned and do we go after Luna?
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post #92 by the way, i'm not moving from intel and think he's 100% scum.
I think Intel is scum too, Bear suspected Intel as scum, Intel roleblocked him defensively, gave a poor defense of why he roleblocked Bear, and is barely defending himself when he was 4/5 from being lynched. 

VTL Intel
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I believe your counterclaim too
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Intelligence - (3/5) - That1User, Croc, Water

SirAnonymous - (3/5) - Danielle, Lunatic, Speed

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Can you unvote temporarily so he doesn't get quick hammered? That night phase was way too long, and we should use the phase a bit more. Also we are waiting for siranonymous's claim.

Intel is definitely the lynch, but there's no rush.
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If it was 3-8 that only gives town 2 mislynches, and I don't even think they can no lynch, that's why I think it's a third if anything. Most mods try to give town at least 3 mislynches. 
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Has intelligence defended himself in anyway shape or form
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unvote
i agree with luna
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SirAnonymous - (3/5) - Danielle, Lunatic, Speed

Intelligence - (2/5) - That1User, Water



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i never supported a bearman lynch

You said in post #299 that you thought there was at least 1 mafia on the Intel wagon. The only people voting for Intel last DP was me, Greyparrot and Bearman. Therefore I expected you to push a lynch on or pressure one of us (Bearman would have been the only one to make sense). Are you gonna pressure that1user or myself now? 

To be fair you also said you read Croc and Ayyantu scum last DP, so it looks like you're just one of those players who goes around asserting so and so is scum on a whim without having anything to back it up / it not being meaningful. Otherwise we'd have to hold you to those 4 scum reads and we already know Supa was scum, so. 
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Luna is either deflecting TP as TP, genuinely worried of TP as town like you, or wants to get out another TP 

I assume that he brought up the possibility of a TP because I explicitly asked him about it in post # 100. But yeah this is why I hate TPs (cuz they can play pro town and still win most of the time, making them hard to detect). 


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Has intelligence defended himself in anyway shape or form

He claimed to be an empty bottle from Zelda, the Jailkeeper, and to have used his ability on Bearman (that1user). that1 verifies he was RB. @that1 you need to ask the mod what language would be used in a Jailkeeper vs. Role Blocker situation. This is something I am going to clarify in each game when I mod cuz it's come up before. If we can verify he's the Jailkeeper we can move along. I can't see Intelligence coming up with that character so it might be fake from the mod. It seems to go along with Greyparrot's character of sorts. Croc, do you have any other reads/thoughts? 


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@Danielle
I assume that he brought up the possibility of a TP because I explicitly asked him about it in post # 100. But yeah this is why I hate TPs (cuz they can play pro town and still win most of the time, making them hard to detect). 
I brought up the subject of the TP in post 69 btw.
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I usually town side as TP, btw. That said, I don't know what to do with your conspiracy theory, since my motives make the same sense as town who also wouldn't have known either were mafia.
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@Lunatic
Oops I missed that in #69. Well I could see you or Speed being scum just because (lol) though I'm starting to think it'd be more likely to be Speed between the two of you. However I'm wary of Ayyantu cuz he said he can't be visited at night like I said. But I agree with you in not wanting to waste energy thinking about TPs. 
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 Therefore I expected you to push a lynch on or pressure one of us (Bearman would have been the only one to make sense). Are you gonna pressure that1user or myself now? 
no, but at the time, with how shaky bearman's reasoning was and ayyantu not answering my question (they still haven't by the way) i was pretty sus of anyone on the intel wagon, but not this dp cause i'm almost 100% sure intel is scum, which makes you two (who were pushing against him from dp1) not sus.
so. 
mhm

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Why do you think Intel is scum? I feel like it's him or SirAnon. For some reason I assume Ayyantu, Luna or Speed would be the TP if there is one but meh who cares. I kinda hope there's just a 2 or 3 person mafia team. 
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Currently the only scum read I have is on Intel,.
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@WaterPhoenix
Nvm I just saw your role claim. Well I agree you and Intel are probs on opposite sides, so he's very likely the lynch. I don't think we have to rush though. Would still like a bit more input and maybe even another claim assuming there's 3 scum. 


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Coming up with fake claims is hard huh
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@Danielle
VTL Danielle to get her to finally answer my question
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If danielle deleted a post shes probably allowed to the same way supa can talk post death. Holy sh1t
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unvote, vtl danielle

for speeds answer