The one area that will haunt democrats

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2020 is a crucial year as it is the election year at the beginning of the decade, this means state legislatures determine congress seats and they can gerrymander

dems did not have a good showing-michigan, wisconsin, PA, all went to GOP and GOP even flipped NH-https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/2020-was-a-disaster-for-dem-trying-to-take-over-state-houses.html

it also means they can appoint electors for trump in the contested seats


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large map of state legislature amp-https://azavea.github.io/election-results-map/ 
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We did not lose control of a single state legislature. We flipped the legislature in New Hampshire. We grew the supermajority in the Kansas House. We retained control of legislatures in key states like PA, OH, NC, MI, and TX. In other words, Republicans swept down-ballot!


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We love our gerrymanderers, don't we, folks? We have the best gerrymanderers!
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This topic is basically republicans saying "we think the democrats cheated even thought we don't have evidence, so now we are going to cheat even more!!!"

It is a weird dynamic I see from republicans where they accuse democrats of doing something (often without any evidence) and then use that to justify republicans doing the shitty thing they seem to think democrats are doing.
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Ah yes, from the people who want to expand the size of the Supreme Court because we legally voted for a new justice.

Or the people who lost because of the electoral college and now want to get rid of the electoral college.

Can't win? Just change the rules!
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well i wouldnt neccessarily say that
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Yeah, our gerrymanderers need to train up on the latest strategies. Not quite the best, but getting there!
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also depends if courts strike them down which depend on SC elections
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Yeah, our gerrymanderers need to train up on the latest strategies. Not quite the best, but getting there!
Texas gerrymanders are the best
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true true, democrats do it too though, just look at how ugly baltimore is
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Ah yes, from the people who want to expand the size of the Supreme Court because we legally voted for a new justice.
ok. so the republicans refused to allow a sitting president to pick a supreme court judge, which is not illegal, but extremely unusual and their reasons for doing it were lies. They then rammed through a supreme court judge like a month before losing an election. Also not illegal, but still pretty obviously playing games with the system. 

Some dems want to expand the court, which is not illegal.

So the republicans playing games with the courts to undermine democracy is totally fine with you. but if the democrats try to respond suddenly it is totally unacceptable. That is some hyper partisan bullshit. 

Or the people who lost because of the electoral college and now want to get rid of the electoral college.
the electoral college is an antiquated system which is designed to make some people's votes matter more than others. It is, by design, a discriminatory system. Even with that system, the dems won. If the dems want to get rid of the electoral college, why shouldn't they pursue that?

Can't win? Just change the rules!
they did win. both by millions of votes and by the electoral college. 
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ok. so the republicans refused to allow a sitting president to pick a supreme court judge, which is not illegal, but extremely unusual and their reasons for doing it were lies. They then rammed through a supreme court judge like a month before losing an election. Also not illegal, but still pretty obviously playing games with the system. 






democrats impeached a president for false reasons, they refuse to take up stimulus bills from the president, many refused to go to his inauguration and called for uprisings against him

demcorats hard ball it every time
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true true, democrats do it too though, just look at how ugly baltimore is
Oh ya for sure. Maryland looks crazy😂
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it also means they can appoint electors for trump in the contested seats
Frankly, that's insane. It almost makes court packing look responsible by comparison (almost). If state legislatures ignore the results of the elections in their states and appoint electors to vote for Trump, then there will be no way to put the cat back in the bag. Presidential elections would be decided by state legislatures. That's a one-step method of destroying American democracy.  "But the Democrats..." is not an excuse.
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democrats impeached a president for false reasons
they weren't false. he was guilty of what he was accused of. 

 they refuse to take up stimulus bills from the president,
what? the republicans refused to consider a stimulus bill. I admit pelosi eventually decided against it as well. But there was months where the demcorats wanted a big stimulus bill. the president swung wildly between supporting it and opposing it. It was the republicans in the senate who were consistently blocking it. Why are you blaming democrats for what mitch McConnell and the "freedom" caucus did?


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nope, there was no crime

pelosi has blocked hundreds of billions of dollars for american relief
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its a last resort and definitely controversial i will admit
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That's an understatement. Thankfully, the Republican leader of the PA legislature already ruled that out as a possibility. At least there are a few responsible politicians left.
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nope, there was no crime
he abused his office to extort a foreign country into smearing his political opponent. That is an impeachable offense. And he was impeached for it. 

pelosi has blocked hundreds of billions of dollars for american relief
again, that was the republicans. The freedom caucus blocked relief for months. Pelosi and mnuchin were negotiating a deal and the republican senators torpedoed it. Why is that pelosi's fault?
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ok. so the republicans refused to allow a sitting president to pick a supreme court judge, which is not illegal, but extremely unusual and their reasons for doing it were lies. They then rammed through a supreme court judge like a month before losing an election. Also not illegal, but still pretty obviously playing games with the system. 

Some dems want to expand the court, which is not illegal.

So the republicans playing games with the courts to undermine democracy is totally fine with you. but if the democrats try to respond suddenly it is totally unacceptable. That is some hyper partisan bullshit. 

How were Republicans undermining democracy?

There is a pretty big difference between not voting on a justice and fundamentally changing the court.

the electoral college is an antiquated system which is designed to make some people's votes matter more than others. It is, by design, a discriminatory system. Even with that system, the dems won. If the dems want to get rid of the electoral college, why shouldn't they pursue that?

It is not an antiquated system. It gives rural voters a voice. But I'm sure that you'd just love to neglect "flyover America" and let it rot. You hate them because they don't vote for your insane socialist policies. Only the urban votes matter to you elitists, huh?

I suppose they could get rid of the electoral college if they felt like it and had the votes. It is just a really stupid idea and an obvious power grab.

they did win. both by millions of votes and by the electoral college. 

Still disputed, but probably. If you win through the electoral college, good on you. If you win the popular vote, literally couldn't care less.

In America, we have states, and allowing all areas of the US to matter electorally is important. I'd secede if I was in the Midwest and would be constantly taxed and neglected in Congress.

Meanwhile, California still has a huge voice under the current system even though their votes "matter less".

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How were Republicans undermining democracy?

Because they didn't vote against the will of the people that voted for a Republican Congress.

You need to remind HB that the Congress is far more powerful than a president.
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How were Republicans undermining democracy?
packing the courts with right wing judges so they can make the courts swing the law to the right even though that is not what the people want. That is undermining democracy. 

There is a pretty big difference between not voting on a justice and fundamentally changing the court.
The republicans used political games to pack the courts with right wing judges. Now the democrats are thinking of doing the same. But in your mind the republicans are fine, but if the democrats do that, that's wrong. That is some hyper partisan bullshit. 

It is not an antiquated system. It gives rural voters a voice.
no, they have a voice either way. What it does is make a rural (mostly white) votes matter more than a vote for a person in a city. 

I suppose they could get rid of the electoral college if they felt like it and had the votes. It is just a really stupid idea and an obvious power grab.
there is some twisted logic. Having everyone's votes count for the same amount is a "power grab". having rural people's votes count for way more than urban people's votes is totally fine though....

they did win. both by millions of votes and by the electoral college. 
Still disputed, but probably. If you win through the electoral college, good on you.
lol just because someone disputes something, doesn't mean they are right. I can dispute that the moon exists, but that doesn't change that it is there. Biden won, that is extremely clear. Trump can dispute all he wants, he's an idiot. 

If you win the popular vote, literally couldn't care less.
this says alot about the republican party. They recognize they do not represent the majority of americans. They know that they are attempting to force a minority of people's wishes on the majority, and they are ok with it. They actually enjoy it. Its a bit perverse. 

In America, we have states, and allowing all areas of the US to matter electorally is important. I'd secede if I was in the Midwest and would be constantly taxed and neglected in Congress.
That happens now. The only states that get paid attention to are the swing states. Any state that is "safe" is ignored. All the system does is change which states get ignored. 

Meanwhile, California still has a huge voice under the current system even though their votes "matter less".
yes. California has more people than many countries. 

California has about 40 million people. That is about 12% of the US's population. they have 55 of 538 electoral college votes. that is a bit over 10% of the electoral college vote.

Iowa has 3.15 million people. That is about  0.95% of the US population. They get 6 electoral college votes. That is about 0.11% of the electoral college. 

So yes, California should have a bigger say in the electoral college than they do. A vote in california is worth less than a vote in Iowa. 
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1.no he did nit

2.no that was the dems
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1.no he did nit


lol i explained how he did and your response is "no he did nit". how eloquently argued. 

2.no that was the dems
Here is an article about it. The dems passed a 3 trillion dollar relief bill. The republicans blocked it. Pelosi came back with a 2.2 trillion dollar bill. The republicans blocked it. 

I agree that as the election got close Pelosi stopped trying to get shit passed. But the republicans have been blocking the passage of a relief bill for months and months before that. 

So I ask again, why is it the dems who are to blame when the republicans refused to pass anything?

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all false, what evidence? none was presented

republicans blocked things because of huidden secrets like planned parenthood funding
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all false, what evidence? none was presented
what are you talking about? of course there was evidence. Trump ordered aid to be stopped. Trump told them to announce an investigation of biden. They were going to do it, until the story blew up right before their announcement. Then suddenly the money was released as the trump team tried to pretend nothing happened. These are all well established facts. 

republicans blocked things because of huidden secrets like planned parenthood funding
ok, so you now acknowledge that it was the republicans who blocked relief bills for months. So why didn't the republicans counter off a comperable bill without those "hidden secrets"? they didn't do that. They sort of suggested they might be willing to pass something like 1/3 the amount that the democrats were looking for and like half of what trump said he wanted. but even then, never committed to passing it. 

so again, pelossi made multiple offers of relief bills which the republicans refused. So why would it be pelosi's fault that a relief bill wasn't passed?

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1.please provide the citations and evidence, ukranian witnesses denied this ever happening, it was a sham


that article shows how pelosi planned to put pro choice garbage in a relief bill!
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1.please provide the citations and evidence, ukranian witnesses denied this ever happening, it was a sham
there's no point going through this again. trump committed impeachable offenses and was impeached for it. There's no point going over this again. 


that article shows how pelosi planned to put pro choice garbage in a relief bill!
here is an article also says that when the white house rejected that it was taken out. Specifically, the quote is:

Politico confirmed after this article went to press that the Hyde Amendment provision was eventually removed from the stimulus later on Thursday and will hit the House floor as a separate bill.
so she wanted to include health funding in the bill. was blocked from doing so, and then took it out. My god, what a monster. Republicans still blocked all relief bills for months. 

So I ask again, how is this not the republicans' fault?