Riddle Mafia - Day Phase 2

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If you want to vote me , vote me. But I actually want to move on past this. I fos you. I can't lead the lynch, and I am letting mafia win at this point by cluster fucking the page by arguing.  

Which is probably your intention 

But if I can't get you. I want to go back and actually iso this to focus on other people


With the amount of people here. The judas lynch was likely the (tp type roll). So prob 2 mafia 



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What do you mean by iso?
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Iso is a term in mafia that means you take each player (or a specific player ) and read their posts and only their posts to form reads. It allows you to see breaches in logic or sudden flips in posting style to help develop reads. 

I usually iso the entire game and do it for each player. 

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Ok. I've done things like that before, but I didn't know what it was called and didn't do it systematically.
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Also it's not anti town. Not letting him walk buy as town confirmed should be a norm. I'm just having to defend myself from saying that non stop which is why I want to move on. Its clogging the game

If you want to think he's town confirmed as perma thing. Then do it. 

If you want to need advice and at least keep in your mind that he's not. Then do it. 


I will not successfully push it and no one wants to even second guess it. You are only as good as mafia as much as you can convince people. I have no way to convince people to even entertain the idea so it's a lost cause to keep on about it at this point other than answering questions directed at me 

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It just flusters me when people buy into a town confirmation so easily in a theme riddle game for gods sake. 

His motivation to kill pie definitely can exist as scum. Again I point back to last night. 


But that's it about this subject. If I get a break at work or before I play bdo today , I'm going to take the time to iso every player and take notes. Don't know how to work this site on my phone well so probably will write them on a piece of paper and then upload to imgur and post the link 

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Is that allowed. Re : above post. 
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An easier way to do it is click on their profile, select forum, then select posts. That allows you to see that person's posts in reverse chronological order. Flip through the pages until you find their first post in the game and then work forward. You will have to skip posts in other topics, but that's the easiest way I know to do it.
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Is that allowed. Re : above post. 

Yes unless it's too annoying for players to keep track of or respond to. For now I don't see why it would be. 
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1) you would be insanely skeptical and you would not read this as town confirmation. You are willing to run with it because you are town and people would accept it. Even as a town luna , I think you would bring the point up that it's not town confirmation.  
Your thoughts of what I would and wouldn't do are completely off base then, as they usually tend to be. Your generalizations of people's playstyles seems to often miss the mark. Talking as if I didn't know I was town though, the only way I would doubt a mod confirmation is if the persons behavior was extremely scummy. I wouldn't just doubt it for the sake of doubting it, like you are. You have no good reason to FOS me other than your conspiracy theory that the mod wouldn't include a riddle that town confirms someone. You aren't even stopping to consider the implication of you being wrong, you just made your mind up that this was bastard modding and that danielle wouldn't do it, even to counter a vig which is a power role. You have your mind made up on the issue, the sad thing is there is nothing to back it up.

1A) you mean take down a role you as mafia would think or know that existed in the game.  Just so you can ride the town confirmation. The exact same thing max did last night, in a game that you modded.  No it would never happen. The only thing you have added to your favor is that riddle 

I designed this game a month ago, the one where max was a vig as scum. Danielle is a completely different mod. Are you saying I based my mafia vig role around her game? You can confirm with max that I gave him his role way in advance before we even got together for live mafia, before danielle even hosted this game. That means your theory is an extremely rare role (I dont think I've ever seen a scum vig before) was used twice in a row by two completely different mods back to back. The level of conspiracy you go to is astromine level.

2) we will see , when your alive the last dp as a "confirmed" townie , I'm going to lel 
I would love it if you and your scum buddy decide to keep me alive til mylo. Gives me more of a chance to kill you guys with my role.

 right..... Because as scum I would leave you alive to try and mislynch you when literally no one on the game is remotely buying my case 

remains to be seen if people will buy your case or not. I definitely think you think you can pursuade some the way to did last phase. The POE is going to narrow down very soon and paint you and your buddy as scum.

4) my gut would have had me lynch max. Me going along with people and thinking I'm the crazy one , is why I didn't. 
Your "gut" has also mislynched max multiple times. Gut reads need to have something substantial to push on. I've learned to tame soem of my gut reads as I've been wrong many times with them. Gotta look at the facts.

I am willing to lynch you for a variety of reasons. 
1) to test the riddles. Which now we are down a dayphase so this is no where near as useful when we can afford it dp1
For someone who was super worried about wasting mislynches on a lynchproof, you definitely don't seem phased about wasting mislynches on confirming something that at best makes you go "Okay, guess the riddles aren't to be trusted", when it's obvious not all riddles are going to be as obvious as the first. Did you decipher anything from todays riddle? Doubting the riddles isn't a reason to lynch, if you actually had a good behavioral reason other than "I dont think luna would do this" that would be one thing. Your banking everything on an assumption. But you know what they say about people who assume.

2) your entire overall playstyle. Not remotely second guessing that you could be town confirmed. Now suggesting that I'm pressured enough to try and tunnel lynch you as scum when I'm clearly in the minority when literally no one else agrees. Because that's a smart scum thing to do. 

Saying your the minority when almost no one has posted shows you don't have much confidence in whatever your saying. I also find it kind of manipulative, as if your playing yourself up to be the underdog, because everyone loves an underdog and maybe garner sypmathy votes. And again your argument about me knowing I am town and not second guessing the mod telling everyone else I am town is laughable.

Let's pretend I'm backed into a corner. So instead of posting very little , making excuse for my friend visiting , and saying I play bdo at night and letting town kill itself .(literally read every game prior to this, mafia doesn't need to win. You let town win for you ) Instead I'm causing this fus as scum 
You haven't proved how town is killing itself. What do you know that we don't know lol. I've already killed one scum, no thanks to you doing your best to derail the lynch.

That's not information. No one plays on this site because town Is autistic. You never stop complaining about how bad people are as town. It's literally why we went to mafia scum 
This game isn't your average dart game, literally the only noob here is intelligence. 

So instead of letting people third imposter. I take an impossible position (as scum you are saying ) and try to double down and lead a mislynch that no one is on board with 
Again sympathy card manipulation tactic.

But if I can't get you. I want to go back and actually iso this to focus on other people
You can literally do this any time.

It just flusters me when people buy into a town confirmation so easily in a theme riddle game for gods sake. 
Next time we both play in a game with an innocent townie, I am going to be suspicious of you if you don't suspect the innocent townie. Next time we are in a game where you say a person got copped inno is confirmed, I will be suspicious of you if you don't suspect the inno'd target. Because none of this is a base null read either, you are literally scum reading me for being mod confirmed. That's how ridiculous you sound right now.

His motivation to kill pie definitely can exist as scum. Again I point back to last night. 
The only way Pie and oro died and your theory is possible is if mafia have a vig as well. That role that only I've used before until now, and then suddenly its seen twice. You are so invested in this conspiracy theory that you are willing to consider that mafia have 2 night kills over the more likely possibility that there's a town vig.


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I am not going to lie, I have some wild conspiracy theory's in mafia too. I vocalize them often. But I don't usually push lynches over them or encourage others to get on board, and I usually will admit the flaws in them as well.
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Grey parrots mostly seems okay , other than his role claim which was weird af


I lean town on speed. Most mafia won't be consistent with their reads. Him pointing out to supa dp1 that he read magic as town (this wasnt instant, he remembered his reads) implies that he actually had developed reads and was consistent with them. His reaction dp1 to the mod riddle seemed geniuine 

The only thing that half bothered me was the fact of him saying role madness. I didn't get that at all and I read it as trying to set up the lack of trust in roles but I think he piggybacked this off magic 





Going to iso but just post reads instead of how I did it there. Will take far to much work compared to mafia scum. 

For now I town lean supa 

With a wtf ???? On top of grey parrot 


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Town lean speed for his response to supa*
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Luna is def town, you sound ridiculous at this point. The riddle has proven accurate in multiple ways. I cannot tell if you're being your stubborn anti-town townie self, or if you're scum. 
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I'm thinking Mikal is more anti-town than scummy right now. I'm not sure scum would cling so hard to an unpopular position. Still, that doesn't change the fact that he's being counterproductive right now.
I wouldn't dismiss him as scum for taking an "unpopular position". If you think about it, his position wasn't all that unpopular last phase. He managed to convince you, likemagic, and oromagi and nearly derailed the lynch of pie by defending an "unpopular opinion". Which suggests his opinion wasn't unpopular. The only reason that lynch went through was because I was forced to claim. Mafia not knowing pie would flip guilty, means if they were against it last phase, they are totally surprised by the outcome. He's not making a new unpopular opinion, he's just repeating the same stuff he said last day phase. If it's unpopular, it's only because of the results from last phase vindicate me. He either has admit he was wrong, which equally doesn't look good for him, or continue to defend himself in hopes of manipulating people into thinking he's town the way you are thinking now that his behavior is town, it almost makes more sense for him to double down as scum. Again we've backed them in a corner, forced their hands.

I can vouch for this behavior; When I was scum in pie's narcos game and claimed miller and was instantly CC'ed, I had to either admit I lied for a town gambit or double down on being miller. I doubled down and fought for my life, and pulled many of the same cards mike is pulling now to seed doubt that I would behave a certain way as town. Mike's telling you that his position is unpopular is exactly WHY you shouldn't be town confirming him for saying that. 
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I see your point.
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Town read speed if you want, but be careful not to sleep on him. He's tough to catch as mafia.
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If speed is scum, I would be worried about a potential mafia Tailor, based on his post 4. If you want some conspiracy theory, there's some for ya
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The quote below really really bothers me. I never really realized how much until I read it in iso

1) magic was really willing to vtl pie to test prior to this 
2) went from that to being willing to vtnl
3) and completely 180ed on her logic prior to this 

This sticks out to me because it was a super hard 180






I would really hate to say this, but Mikal is making sense. I think it is very bastard to have a misinformation riddle, but at this point my thoughts are we should either lynch Luna or not lynch this DP.  Comment #12 bothered me too, when I read it but it was just a gut check. In hindsight I think Luna embraced the riddle too willingly. I feel like Luna is usually more inclined to point out that nothing is certain and no information is guaranteed as town. Also, lynching Luna has the benefit of informing us whether we can rely on the riddles and will provide retrospective reads on a bunch of players. But I am also okay with VTNLing. 

If everyone disagrees on whether lynching Pie and him not dying this DP proves anything affiliation-wise, then this shouldn't be on the table anymore. 

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I don't know if I actually need to iso supa. Only supa would basically claim some role on his second post as town and hint at death utility?

I can't see him doing it as scum. He usually is quiet 

Supa as town is a vocal tp and doesn't think before he writes. So this is right up his meta as town 


Enough that I feel I don't need to really read to much more into him unless something really sticks out to me. He tried to call speed scum with bad logic but that's because he can't read. 

What do you expect from a trump lover 


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You should see his posts after eating a sausage McMuffin.
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From around post 30 

Then at around post 90

Anon went from not wanting to lynch to being willing nearly out of no where 



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Also has been coasting. Maybe new ?


So far 


Scum lean in order

Magic 
Anon 

Null 

Gp
Luna (this went from scum to null. Speed posted something where the mod said. "she would post the riddles. I entirely missed this dp1.). Will read wording to this later 

Town 
Speed 
Supa 








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From around post 30 

Then at around post 90

Anon went from not wanting to lynch to being willing nearly out of no where
Firstly, that's "Sir" Anon to you. Secondly, there was a whole day between those two posts.
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You should see his posts after eating a sausage McMuffin.
lmao
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Intelligence bleeds noob town to me.
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Sure but I'm game there is hardly no justification from you as to why. 

You went from a hard don't lynch to a sure with little to no explanation. 

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Chris reads null af
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The explanation is simple. I was never a hard no lynch in the first place. If you reread what I wrote, I wasn't sure whether or not to lynch. That's why I tagged a bunch of people and asked what their opinions were.
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Want to look back Into the exact wording of Danielle's post as far as "mod will post riddles" 

If it says that , I likely have to concede my case. Bothers me magic did read that and went with it. 

If it says that and mafia posted it somehow it's bastard modding. 


Lynch pool is likely

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