conservative conspiracy theories about the election

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It wasn't proven at all, it was a load of nonsense from the start.
no, it was proven beyond a doubt that they had dozens of contacts with russians and russian agents that they lied about. They also handed polling data to a russian agent. There is no doubt there was "collusion" with russia. But since that is not a legal term, it isn't a criminal issue. 

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It was really about undermining the results of the election from the start. Don't buy into it.
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Dead people are people too!
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It was really about undermining the results of the election from the start. Don't buy into it.
lol, so the media fed into a narrative that trump conspired with russians. This was later proven to be true. but somehow this is a conspiracy theory.... even though it is a proven fact.

But people spreading lies on the internet about this election, that is totally legitimate....
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dude ranting against trump's deranged cult members doing their protest thing....
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The Russian collusion narrative was from the very beginning a load of bull. Neither anything illegal or immoral was going on. It was from the beginning a farce.

That is certainly what it looks like to me. Discredited.

If no election fraud is going on, then there is no good reason to be concerned about an investigation.

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The Russian collusion narrative was from the very beginning a load of bull.
It was definitively proven to be true. you have an odd understanding of the meaning of the word "bull"

 Neither anything illegal or immoral was going on. It was from the beginning a farce.
the trump campaign claimed they had no contact with russia, russians, or russian agents. That was proven to be a lie. They had over 100 contacts with russians or russian agents that they lied about. In one of these cases they gave polling data to an agent of the russian government. 

Nothing illegal was proven. But trump's team did collude with the russians. And "Immoral" depends on how you feel about helping the russians to interfere in US elections. 

That is certainly what it looks like to me. Discredited.
nope. it was definitively proven to be true. Just not criminal.

If no election fraud is going on, then there is no good reason to be concerned about an investigation.
no one is concerned about an investigation. I welcome one. But we aren't talking about an investigation. We are talking about conspiracy theories with no evidence being spread on the internet. Millions of people will believe that there was fraud and that the election was "stolen" when there is no evidence this is true. That is very dangerous. There was already a report that someone was planning an attack on a location counting votes in PA. This is what people are concerned about. Armed thugs trying to use violence because the election didn't go the way they wanted. 

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I LIKE RUSSIANS.

And there was no Russian collusion.

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And there was no Russian collusion.
repeating the same lie over and over can help you to internalize it and believe it. However it does not change reality. The trump campaign had over 100 contacts with russians and agents of the russian government that they lied about. They fed a russian agent polling data. That is collusion. It may not be criminal, but they did collude with them. 

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I don't believe what you are saying is reality.
It's really that simple.

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@Mopac
let me break it down in words u would understand....

1. the ultimate reality exists
2. trump colluding with russia is the ultimate reality
3. therefore, it is established that trump colluded with russia

if u deny that trump colluded with russia, then u deny the ultimate reality, which is illogical. why r u being illogical? 
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It is totally reasonable for me to not accept the claim that Donald Trump colluded with Russia.

There are plenty of TRUE things you can pin on Trump. This isn't one of them. I don't find the case for Trump colluding with Russia to be convincing.






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what do you think about all trump's men going to jail for their lies about communicating with russia? do you acknowledge this fact but consider it not collusion? 
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In every case, I have found that a closer examination tended to contradict the narrative that I was being fed by the media.

In fact, from what I can gather, the extent of the Russian influence in the election amounted to little more than shit posting. As far as I am concerned, Russian citizens have as much a right to free speech as I do.

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why do you deny the ultimate reality? that's illogical. 
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Rather, your accusation that I deny God is unfounded and demonstrably false given my posting record here. 
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what did you expect? of course trump's supporters are prone to being gullible, believing in conspiracy theories, and lacking critical thinking.... if they weren't, they wouldn't have voted for trump to begin with.  if the situation were reversed, there might be a few odd ball blue voters crying fraud, but it wouldn't be nearly on the same scale.