Do you believe that the bible contain conntradictions? If so, what does this mean? Why or why not?
Does the Bible Conntradict Itself?
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no it does not,
No. The bible is one.
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
Yes, it contains numerous contradictions. But that only means that:
1. The Bible was not written by one person, and none of them were God, or even Jesus Christ. Therefore, as works of men, some contradictions are bound to, and do exist.
2. The Bible exists today as a transliterated, and translated volume by not-all-scholarly-individuals-as-scholarly-as-they-needed-to-be. Transliteration is only as accurate as the scribe is detail-oriented enough to be as accurate as needed to be. Translation is virtually impossible to make accurate because translation is typically a dictionary-to-dictionary comparison, And dictionaries do a notoriously poor job of teaching culture; the driver of language. Result: errors.
3. Some transcribers and translators had alternative agendas than maintaining "the Word of God" by substitution and outright deletion of text from originating texts.
4. Not one single book of the Old and New Testaments we have today are derived from original texts because we don't have original texts. Back to #2.
5. We have to study, which is more than mere reading. Having some understanding of the ancient languages helps, but, in a pinch, ask God. That's why He's there after all. If a passage is troublesome, ask Him what its all about, if its true, or not, and how to properly interpret it. If He is ultimately the inspiring source of His Word, why question whether He knows, or not? Just ask in faith, having real intent, with a desire to know of yourself.
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
Do you believe that the bible contain conntradictions?
At face value sure
If so, what does this mean?
It means there's no reason to look for perfection in the Bible, it does NOT mean that the works within the Bible can't be trusted or useful as a means to gain good insights and knowledge. It is one out of many spiritual pieces of literature and not the only book that contains good spiritual insights. But none of those sources of literature should be regarded or assumed to be perfect that's unrealistic. They should be valued for what they are and understood that there will be useful information as well as information that can be discarded.
Why or why not?
I don't think there are many, and most of the so-called contradictions people like to point out are not always good examples. There's a few I can think of, but TBH I wouldn't refer to them as contradictions depending on the perspective and context.
The main one that usually comes up is the ole Isaiah passage about God "creating evil" along with "I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7), which is not a very good translation and even if it were it's a very misconstrued meaning. Because evil is not a thing to be created so it is nonsensical to start with, evil is the intentions and results of actions so this translation is misleading. It can be said God is responsible for evil existing, because nothing would exist had it not been for God but that is a different perspective altogether. One reads like God is some Puppet Master where He creates evil creatures and created them to do evil things or that anything bad that happens God personally did it. This of course gives the impression no one is truly responsible for their actions since God created it.
On the other hand there is co-responsibility because God created an environment where evil COULD take place, but the created being who chose to commit evil also has a responsibility of choosing that option.
The contradicting verse that counters that idea is in James 1-
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
If one relies solely on the literal and written text of the bible, then there appear to be contradictions. If one sees the written text as complemented by oral tradition and text which clarifies, expands and explains, then, no, there are none.
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
Does the Bible Conntradict Itself?
Take your pick.
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
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FAUXLAW, the Bible runaway to its TRUE words,
First thing, I understand that you have to block me because I have easily Bible Slapped you Silly®️ many times and made you the Bible fool, of which, I will do once again in addressing your pathetic and Satanic post #4 within this thread.
YOUR SATANIC AND UNGODLY QUOTE CALLING JESUS A LIAR: “Yes, it contains numerous contradictions. But that only means that: ….”
We understand that you are vying to be more Bible ignorant than Tradesecret, but you have gone too far this time in calling Jesus a LIAR because you ADMIT that His inspired words within the scriptures are contradicting at times, which blatantly go against Jesus’ inspired and DIRECT words as stated below!
"God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19) This passage makes you the complete BIBLE FOOL where Jesus does not change His mind in the words that He speaks, yet you say they do in contradiction! HELLO? BLASPHEME!
“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4) Every word of Jesus as the serial Killer Yahweh God incarnate, includes the passages that you say are contradicting, therefore you are calling Jesus a LIAR once again through Jesus' contradicting passages! BLASPHEME!
“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) Again, EVERY word of Jesus within the Bible as the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate is FLAWLESS. What part of FLAWLESS don't you understand? So when you Satanically state that Jesus' has contradictions within the Bible, you are calling JESUS A LIAR because again, both contradictions cannot be true at the same time! BLASPHEME!
FAUXLAW, you fail to realize that EVERY, and I repeat, EVERY word within the scriptures is spoken by Jesus the Christ Himself as God incarnate as 2 Peter 1:20-21 below so states, understood Bible fool? Therefore, you call Jesus a LIAR when YOU admit there’re contradictions within His Holy Bible that puts Jesus in a bad light, as if He wasn't there already by drowning innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in His Great Flood scenario! BLASPHEME X 1000!
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)
FAUXLAW, unfortunately for you, and your equally Bible ignorant pseudo-christian cohorts, and one Hebrew, that follow your position, aka, Doc Franklin, EtrnlVw, and rosends at this time, is the biblical FACT that all of you have now committed the abhorred Unpardonable Sin by calling Jesus a LIAR!
UNPARDONABLE SIN: “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:31-32)
FAUXLAW, you and your equally dumbfound pseudo-christian cohorts have spoke against Jesus' Holy Spirit as part of His Triune Doctrine, therefore committing the drastic Unpardonable Sin, and in this case, calling Jesus a LIAR, period!
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FAUXLAW; PAY ATTENTION: A very simple syllogism that you have to TRY, and I repeat, TRY and comprehend, okay Bible fool? Where there are contradictions, there are falsehoods, and where there are falsehoods, there are LIES because the many falsehoods cannot all be true and correct at the same time! Therefore, you not only admit that Jesus is a LIAR, but you ADMIT that Christians are building their faith upon LIES! How Satanic can you get?
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FAUXLAW, enjoy the depths of the sulfur lakes of Hell upon your demise from planet earth, because that is where YOU, and the other Bible inept pseudo-christians and Hebrew that take your ungodly position are headed, by equally committing the dreadful UNPARDONABLE SIN by simply calling Jesus a LIAR! Do the simple math.
Jesus and I have never seen so much insolence towards the true words of Jesus the Christ, then this DEBATEART religious forum, bar none!
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN WILL BE....?
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FAUXLAW, the Bible runaway to its TRUE words,
I forgot to mention to you, please do not RUNAWAY from my post #11 above, because that will only cement the position that you are a continued RUNAWAY from Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures, and again, this is why you had to block me to try and save face upon this forum. When a pseudo-christian like you makes such ungodly and Satanic posts, I refuse the blocking out that you have given to me, because in the name of Jesus, your foolish irrational posts have to be addressed in His name, understood?
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@Jarrett_Ludolph
When most people think of biblical contradictions, it's suggesting certain "verses" contradict each other, particularly the coinciding verses in the Gospels. These are not really contradictions.
There are incidences in the bible that oppose the "law of non-contradiction". This is different. An example might be verses pertaining to predestination. The idea of having both free-will, and one's life following the pattern of God's will.
This is only a problem for fallible humans. We don't have to go to the bible to see how limited we are in our perceptions of reality. Just imagine going back in time, and preventing your birth. If one can't answer the question of what would happen if they time travelled in the past and prevented their birth, then there will be certain things in the bible, like predestination that will seem contradictory.
There's really no excuse for thinking scriptures themselves contradict.
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@BrotherDThomas
Brother. I am blocked by the author FAUXLAW.
fauxlaw, who has me on Block, wrote::#4
Yes, it contains numerous contradictions. But that only means that:1. The Bible was not written by one person, and none of them were God, or even Jesus Christ.
I know a couple of good theological authors that will argue different. Here's just one for starters.
The Book That Jesus Wrote: John's Gospel by Barbara Thiering (June 15,1998). Prophessor Dr Barbara Elizabeth Thiering was an Australian historian, theologian, and Biblical exegete specialising in the origins of the early Christian Church. Also known for her extensive studies of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And didn't the "finger of god" write something once?
#4 Therefore, as works of men, some contradictions are bound to, and do exist.
Indeed and the church has had over 2,000 years to admit this and correct these obvious errors.
#4 2. The Bible exists today as a transliterated, and translated volume by not-all-scholarly-individuals-as-scholarly-as-they-needed-to-be. Transliteration is only as accurate as the scribe is detail-oriented enough to be as accurate as needed to be. Translation is virtually impossible to make accurate because translation is typically a dictionary-to-dictionary comparison, And dictionaries do a notoriously poor job of teaching culture; the driver of language. Result: errors.
(a) And many of them. Rendering the whole of the scriptures unreliable as original source material. And not to be relied upon to be the "gospel truth".
#4 3. Some transcribers and translators had alternative agendas than maintaining "the Word of God" by substitution and outright deletion of text from originating texts.
(b) Indeed and these "out right deletions" simply result in half told stories littered with ambiguous statements leading to contradictions. In short it is a classical mess. On the surface at least
#4 4. Not one single book of the Old and New Testaments we have today are derived from original texts because we don't have original texts. Back to #2.
See (a) & (b) above
#4 leading to the contradictory errors5. We have to study, which is more than mere reading.
Marvellous how you admit to the bible being interpretation on top of interpretation and to being full of errors then tell us we have to study this unreliable source that is full of errors.
Do you mean that we have to study it to discover for ourselves the many hundreds of contradictory ambiguous half stories, and ambiguous statements that are withing its pages?
Having some understanding of the ancient languages helps, but, in a pinch, ask God.
Ask god and you will hear only moths farting.
Stop being so ridiculous! If we could ask god, these problematic scriptures would have been solved and ironed out millennia ago and there may not even be a need for them at all especially in the state they have come down to us it. Yet here we are, thousands of years later, arguing over which is the correct interpretation? Who has the correct interpretation out of all the splinter sects of just one religion ; Christianity.
That's why He's there after all.
Ok. Simply ask him on my behalf why he even bothered to create anything at all in the first place? That would solve a lot for me.
Then ask him what all the lucky people do for the rest of eternity once they reach the "heavenly paradise" promised by Jesus ?
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@Stephen
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
The Judges verse talks of the people not driving out the inhabitants of the mountain, not God. NIV. This seems consistent with the Hebrew. It is the people of Judah who could not drive out the enemies. The query I suppose comes about because we are also told that God was with them. My immediate response was that it was a continuation of the Israel's fear and distrust of God, even though he was with them, such as when the 10 spies went into Canaan. The reason for this fear or mistrust in God seems to be because of the chariots of iron.
Hence, the alleged contradiction. The Atheist thinks it is God not able to drive them out. The believer that - the people distrust God, even though he is with them.
My view is that the latter harmonizes the passage and is consistent with the scriptural view that men don't like to trust God, even when they have seen God do amazing things to their enemies. It is not a contradiction. Or at least it is not proved as a contradiction. This is a consistent answer without resorting to implausible considerations.
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@Stephen
… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
Hmm - this is one of my favorite alleged contradictions.
It is the reason why Atheists cannot see God. And the same reason why believers can. And it has nothing to do with faith.
Let's see if you can figure it out.
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@Tradesecret
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19The Judges verse talks of the people not driving out the inhabitants of the mountain, not God.[.............]
… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18Let's see if you can figure it out.
"At anytime" says it all for me.
All the above verses contradict one another no matter which way you want to interpret and spin them. One says one thing and the other says opposite. That is the definition of contradict. Get over it "Lawyer, Pastor , Chaplin" REVEREND!!!? #20
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@Stephen
“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19The Judges verse talks of the people not driving out the inhabitants of the mountain, not God.[.............]… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18Let's see if you can figure it out."At anytime" says it all for me.
Duh!
Of course that does it for you. I am not surprised by that at all. Yet, it still does not get the heart of the matter does it?
Do you really think that the authors of the bible so DUMB that in this really important point about God that they would say - no you can't see because he is invisible and on the other hand - you can see him if you look closely? Your answer probably is yes. I say - you miss the obvious. Especially when it is the same author saying it at different times.
And since I am not going to do your homework for you - and since you obviously know the bible so well - you should know the answer - or perhaps you have not yet found it in the sources - that you never use. But that could not possibly be it!
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@Tradesecret
Duh!
And there was you crying and stamping your feet saying I mock you. You really are childish creature aren't you Reverend
Of course that does it for you. I am not surprised by that at all. Yet, it still does not get the heart of the matter does it?
And it will and does to anyone sane reading these contradictory verse.
… I HAVE SEEN GOD God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at ANYTIME…”– John 1:18
Wriggle all you like Reverend. The contradictions are there and there are hundreds of them "Lawyer, Pastor , Chaplin" REVEREND!!!? #20
Do you really think that the authors of the bible so DUMB
YES! And so are those that read the verses and not see the GLARING CONTRADICTION. It simply show and proves to me they are backward, REVEREND.
And since I am not going to do your homework for you - and since you obviously know the bible so well - you should know the answer
I don't need you to shown me anything Reverend. I can plainly see for my self. If you see something other than what is CLEARLY WRITTEN then I can only refer you to here>>
Just a reminder that you have ignored or forgotten my request numerous times now . here>>>>> #10 Why?
And this too seems to have slipped your memory #54 but needs addressing a the earliest possible date.
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@Stephen
Stephen,
The Devil Speak of FAUXLAW in his never to be forgotten post #4, where he called Jesus a LIAR because of admitting there were Bible contradictions of Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures, therefore committing the Unpardonable Sin, will live forever within this forum until he either leaves, or changes his moniker!
AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN IN MY POST #11 WHERE FAUXLAW CALLED JESUS A LIAR, AND THE RAMIFICATIONS THEREOF, AND THEN IN YOUR POST #14 PUTTING THE PROVERBIAL CANDLES UPON THE CAKE, HAS LITERALLY SHUT THE DEVIL SPEAK MOUTH OF THE UNGODLY SATANIC FAUXLAW, PRAISE JESUS!
With his silence to our posts, we can only assume that FAUXLAW is to busy looking for the purchase of asbestos suits to be instantly ready for where he is going upon his earthly demise, and that is the sulfur lakes of HELL for committing the Unpardonable Sin!
As we have learned, to SILENCE the biblically inept pseudo-christian like FAUXLAW, RODERICKSPODE, PGA2.0, TRADESECRET, ET AL, all you have to do is to bring forth actual BIBLICAL axioms that they obviously never heard of, or knew about.
Stephen, they are making it too easy for us. :)
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@Stephen
Stephen,
Hmmm - so you don't want to do homework when I ask you a question but you expect me to do it for you. And here I was thinking that you had "proved" yourself superior and me a fraud.
Still, people vote with their feet. Or as in your case - you keep asking questions and expecting an answer. LOL!
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@Stephen
OH, and because I am so generous to you. It is similar to another biblical concept - of which I don't need to remind you of - but will because I know how desperate you are - since you can't see it.
When people ask "why do you do choose this God?" - what is the Biblical answer? I know you know the answer. But a little clue for you, when you know the answer - the above contradiction stops being a contradiction.
One must take into consideration that there are approximately.
Well to have it a guess, I'd say there is close to 3billion theists, Muslims and all , 3 billion theists are currently in the ▪°•¤▪°•¤ TOP 1000 ¤•°▪¤•°▪ that has ever been and ever is , at SCRIPTURE TRANSLATING.
Why there has got to be over a billion bible believers currently in the TOP 100.
SCRIPTURE. It's.
It's Fucklng brilliant FULL STOP
You wouldn't have a god speak anything but.
Sooooooo.
The bible does con/ tra/ dick itself.
Buttttttttt.
The bible does not.
Let us now take 8 seconds and have a fathom of the mind.
The mind of the bloke. Whom was at a bible writing meeting one day , and he goes.
He goes.
' hey what we should do is write this bitch in like a ummmmmm " A CODE " if you will. Neither hear nor there.
That's brilliant.
THEM HOLY BOOKS you theists have are truly Awesome.
From Abe to L Ron . And before Abraham. GOD'S SPEAK SCRIPTURE.
Very well played.
Good game.
Good game.
It's a case of.
What might you make your god tell you next ?
Why does this matter? It's not like God exists in the first place.
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@Tradesecret
so you don't want to do homework when I ask you a question
You haven't ask me a question.
but you expect me to do it for you.
No I have said CLEARLY that I do NOT need YOU to do anything concerning the contradictions on this thread. Are you blind as well as pig ignorant? LOOOOOK 1st line after last quote. #19
You are the fraud, Reverend and I pity your imagined "students". I can read that which I am seeing there is no need for me to research what I can see is and are a clear contradictions.
LOL!
You really love your childish LOLing don't , Reverend. What ever is the matter with you child.
OH, and because I am so generous to you.
Start a thread if you are so desperate to regain any respect you may have thought you had. You have none in my eyes in respect of your alleged "qualifications" and positions as A Lawyer, A Chaplin and A Pastor #20
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@Stephen
I don't need your respect. Nor do I actually want it.
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@Tradesecret
I don't need your respect.
That's correct. That will be because I am not your "student" or your "client".
But I suspect you need the respect and trust of your imaginary "students" and your criminal "clients". Of which I am neither. Lucky me .
I wonder if either of your "clients or "student" have ever read this here? >>#58
Will you be showing them this great example of you demonstrating how to conduct one's self when being "interviewed by police" or anyone come to that?
Is this really how you instruct your clients or students? >>>>>>>>
By the way - you mention my qualifications more that I ever have. In fact I resisted for a long time giving any information about myself - because I thought it was neither yours nor the Brothers business and I knew -
AND I didn't even ask you if you had any qualification, did I, not once? You volunteered that information without any inquiry or prompting or coaxing from me. Rather a silly move for one claiming to be , among other things, a Lawyer! here #20
" I am a lawyer. [......................] But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications". #20 Tradesecret
Personally I have never come across a Lawyer that instructs his "clients" to surrender any information ,especially when not even asked for. Especially a lawyer that instructs "ALL his clients never to answer a yes or no question".
"I counsel all of my clients never to answer yes or no. Why would I not take my own advice? Life is more complex than black and white - yes and no answers". #15 Tradesecret
!!!FAUXLAW ALERT!!!
I am worried about FAUXLAW because he at least "tries" to respond to my posts, but in the said posts below, he must have been severely Bible Slapped®️ by Jesus and I this time because he remains embarrassingly silent, or has RUN AWAY again like Tradesecret has done to many of my posts in showing these two Biblical fools in how truly Satanic they are! :(
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5032-does-the-bible-conntradict-itself?page=1&post_number=11
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5032-does-the-bible-conntradict-itself?page=1&post_number=12
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5032-does-the-bible-conntradict-itself?page=1&post_number=12
We can only wonder in what Jesus is thinking of these two that continue to practice their Devil Speak within this prestigious forum.
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@BrotherDThomas
If I were you, I would be worried about Fauxlaw as well. He dances around you - like a butterfly and a bee. And It is beautiful to watch.