The fundamental problem with capitalism (as described by Bo Burnham

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@secularmerlin

i'm assuming you would say socialism to and i would respond

Under socialist planning, government commands were used to allocate employment and thereby did not permit the hiring or firing of workers for strictly economic reasons. The problem with this was inefficient production, underemployment, and misallocations of labour.

Not to mention you will eventually run out of other peoples money...................................you kinda need that...

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@BigPimpDaddy

Why must everyone be employed? I don't intend to take any money from anyone. Money is a made up concept. What I want is for monetary wealth to be divorced from a human beings survival and happiness entirely.

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@secularmerlin

Your utopia will never work your stateless moneyless society will turn into anarchy and chaos.

Human nature wont let that happen

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@BigPimpDaddy

I am not optimistic about the idea of a utopia either. No society is perfect. Don't let the impossibility of a perfect society stop you from improving the society you have.

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Human nature wont let that happen

So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?

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@secularmerlin

so your an anarcho communist?

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@BigPimpDaddy

I'm not sure I like the idea of anarchy. I don't think stateless is necessarily synonymous with anarchy. I don't think everyone should just do whatever they want regardless of the cost to others for example. I am also not certain that I do advocate for total statelessness. The state can be useful for implementing social programs.

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Human nature wont let that happen

So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?

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@secularmerlin

ahhh so your a stalinist?

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@BigPimpDaddy

No I'm not a big fan of stalin either. Or any totalitarian. I do wish I wouldn't have to keep repeating myself like this. If you cannot stomach going through this conversation without labeling me I suppose I would accept the label of social humanist. Just understand that that means what I mean when I use those words not whatever preconceptions you may have about them. I may not fit neatly into any box you have lying around in your head.

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Human nature wont let that happen

So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?

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@secularmerlin

what does social humanist even mean?

Also I think your a leninist cause you want to weaponize the state against the "bourgeois".

Your night time book is probably the state and revolution.

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@BigPimpDaddy

I would prefer not to weaponize anything. I would in fact like to see the state stop being weaponized against the people. I worry that this might require bloody revolution but I really don't want that. I just want to see everyone fed and housed. Now is there a reason you keep ignoring my post? The one that goes

Human nature wont let that happen

So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?

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@BigPimpDaddy

what does social humanist even mean?

Why don't you stop trying to identify me with a group and just get to know me. Perhaps I am an individual with my own unique opinions and politics.

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@secularmerlin

Your a leninist reformist then.

Human nature wont let that happen
So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?

no.

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BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH YOUR NOTHING UNIQUE IVE MET YOUR FOLK MANY TIMES BEFORE

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You can tell when someone is going to strawman when they have So you believe as the first words

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@BigPimpDaddy

Human nature wont let that happen
So you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?
no.

Great at least we agree on something.

YOUR NOTHING UNIQUE IVE MET YOUR FOLK MANY TIMES BEFORE

It seems odd then that you don't seem to be able to grasp any of the concepts I am trying to discuss with you.

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@BigPimpDaddy

You can tell when someone is going to strawman when they have So you believe as the first words

Just following the example you set in post 126

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@BigPimpDaddy

do you now agree that the test results were bullshit?
and that im not fascist?

I never called you a fascist though I would like to correct your understanding of what a fascist is and clear up any misconceptions you might have about socialism having the same core goals. I'm fine with you self identifying or not identifying at all.

I do wonder how you intend to enable laissez-faire capitalism without the threat of state organized violence such as that provided by a militarized police force... since you don't believe in violent suppression of political opposition.

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@secularmerlin

I may not fit neatly into any box you have lying around in your head.

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@secularmerlin

I do wonder how you intend to enable laissez-faire capitalism without the threat of state organized violence such as that provided by a militarized police force... since you don't believe in violent suppression of political opposition.

GREAT QUESTION

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@secularmerlin

I do wonder how you intend to enable laissez-faire capitalism without the threat of state organized violence such as that provided by a militarized police force... since you don't believe in violent suppression of political opposition.

In their mind unbridled/unencumbered capitalism will lead to Utopia on Earth, and all people will see this utopian pathway with clarity, because, our CEO's are the most trustworthy, honest people on Earth.

Well, their at least their more trustworthy than the most lying president ever, Trumpet.

Utopia or Oblivion Bucky Fuller 1969

https://www.amazon.com/Utopia-Oblivion-Prospects-Buckminster-Fuller/dp/0553028839

....' all of the governments of the world could cease to exist, and humanity would continue along just fine '........paraparsing Fuller from somewhere in that book I had for 20 years before giving to a friend.

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In their mind unbridled/unencumbered capitalism will lead to Utopia on Earth

I'm not sure that is true. In fact I think it more likely that the majority simply believe in the myth of the meritocracy and that poor people should be poor because of their naturally poorer quality. That capitalism separates the seed from the chaff never realizing that to the ultra wealthy they themselves are the chaff and even then I cannot characterize this as any particular interlocutors argument it is just the sense I get from many conservatives.

In any case I cannot justify protecting the assets of the ultra wealthy at the cost of human lives and dignity regardless of your reasons.

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@secularmerlin

Here's the problem with "free-market" "capitalism" "pure profit motive",

The "tragedy of the commons" - - https://youtu.be/S7g9NhWLaRs

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I don't know why anyone who doesn't have a net worth of over $300 million even wants to live. The world's most expensive private jet belongs to Prince Alwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia who owns an Airbus A380 with a price tag of over 500 million USD.

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