China, The World's Next Superpower?

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I'd define a 'superpower' as a nation that has the means to cripple or annihilate any other nation in the world that is not themselves a superpower (cripple or annihilate via nuclear weapons or sheer economic influence)

During the Cold War between the US and Russia, if either one of them put pressure on a nation where the other superpower did not offer some sort of relief to that nation to keep them propped up, the nation being pressured would almost surely have collapsed or bent to the will of whichever superpower nation was putting pressure on them...... In fact I cant think of a single nation that withstood pressure from the US or the USSR during the Cold War when they didnt receive some sort of help from the other superpower.





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i don't think China is aspiring to become the World's superpower  or to police the World as America has tried to do for the last several decades. China just wants to be very rich and its people very prosperous. With that comes the technology, military and recognition.
America spends more  money on its military that all the countries combined. Yet the American people are insecure and divided and the wealth gap is widening between the rich 10% and the rest of the struggling population.
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Yes, I think China will be the next world superpower. India, a country in the same region, with a similar population, is a good measuring stick.

India seems to be the retarded twin of China. In almost all measures, China excels where India fails miserably. In health and sanitation, crime and safety, innovation and technology India lags behind China. The graph to superpower-hood is not hard to plot.

But the most telling is in the attitudes of the two peoples. One could not imagine the leader of China publicly saying that the Chinese were ashamed of being born Chinese, but the Indian Prime Minister admitted that Indians are ashamed of being born Indian.

That attitude alone explains why China is on the verge of becoming a world superpower and India still has almost half a million people defecating in the streets every day.
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Yes, I think China will be the next world superpower. India, a country in the same region, with a similar population, is a good measuring stick.

India seems to be the retarded twin of China. In almost all measures, China excels where India fails miserably. In health and sanitation, crime and safety, innovation and technology India lags behind China. The graph to superpower-hood is not hard to plot.

But the most telling is in the attitudes of the two peoples. One could not imagine the leader of China publicly saying that the Chinese were ashamed of being born Chinese, but the Indian Prime Minister admitted that Indians are ashamed of being born Indian.

That attitude alone explains why China is on the verge of becoming a world superpower and India still has almost half a million people defecating in the streets every day.

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2017-06 - Ten to 20 South African children die of starvation every day - Wits University

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There are 3.22 Millions of INDIANs in USA (1.5 % of population).</strong>
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The thread has nothing to do with Africa or blacks. Racism. Spam. Reported.
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I think China's capacity as a world superpower is largely overrated. While they do have potential, it does seem as if their recent growth has been backfiring and has been met with certain deeper-rooted problems.

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- Chinese "mercantilism" is facing backlash at the onslaught of populism in the industrialized world. Initiating with Trump, I expect to see more trade restrictions. 
- Resistance to Chinese influence has risen in some areas, with tensions recently rising in Africa.
- If Russia is to improve its relations with the western world, it's possible to see "Sino-Soviet split 2.0." With this in mind, China is left without a strong ally. 
- China's internal problems from its aging population, human rights abuses, environmental degradation, etc, are fundamental issues that need to be addressed.

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I still think we are drastically overestimating China's military capability in the first place.... This is a country that couldn't formally bring in Taiwan under their scope even though its the size of Maryland which is located about as close to China as Cuba is to Key West.....  Meanwhile the US stubbornly fought in Vietnam on the other side of the world for close to a decade, and when China tried their own invasion of Vietnam along the border they share to the south they called it quits after just 4 weeks (see link 2)..... 

Hell this is a country whose first aircraft carrier in 1998 was one that was bought off the Russians after the Soviet Union collapsed.... And at one point it almost became a goddamn casino. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

While the US and Russia had its instances of military fuckups despite superpower status (see Vietnam + Afghanistan respectively), China may not even have the capacity to wage a prolonged war in a country that doesnt immediately border them, and even then they could say screw it and pull out after a month https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War


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I'm betting against it. Their one child policy is going to bite them in the ass HARD when it comes to healthcare costs while environmentally the whole country is going to complete sh*t. They will have to grapple with a lot of the problems the US slammed into in the late 20th century, but on a much more massive scale. 

The population demographics of European countries also effectively bars any of them from achieving superpower status, especially given the limitations on land they actually control. 

My money long term is on Canada of all places. If global warming really picks up, they are arguably in the best position for it as land becomes more fertile/arable and melting ice sheets unveil new access to natural resources buried underground. They recently overtook the US as having the healthiest middle class of any country, and as long as they dont go too far to the left with their policies they could certainly achieve powerful status by the end of the century (though they will still be borderline irrelevant for at least another 20 years) 

- Canada?! I'm never sure when you're trolling or actually serious. Which instance is this?

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I think China's capacity as a world superpower is largely overrated. While they do have potential, it does seem as if their recent growth has been backfiring and has been met with certain deeper-rooted problems.
- 4.5 times the population of the US, 6 times its agricultural output, 2.5 times its industrial output, 1.25 its GDP & 3 times its annual growth rate. By 2030, Chinese economy will become at least twice that of the US. I don't know, sounds pretty underrated. I just love the denial.


For instance,

- Chinese "mercantilism" is facing backlash at the onslaught of populism in the industrialized world. Initiating with Trump, I expect to see more trade restrictions.
- You think this is the 80s? Much of the world's trade is happening in Asia.


- Resistance to Chinese influence has risen in some areas, with tensions recently rising in Africa.
- That's what they keep telling you.


- If Russia is to improve its relations with the western world, it's possible to see "Sino-Soviet split 2.0." With this in mind, China is left without a strong ally.
- Chine-Russian relations are beyond that at this point.


- China's internal problems from its aging population, human rights abuses, environmental degradation, etc, are fundamental issues that need to be addressed.
- Which are being addressed pretty effectively...

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LINK....Map of the One Belt and Road is first step to achieving a World Energy Grid... LINK


...LINK One Belt Silk Road ........"Xi calls it the “project of the century,” an ambitious drive to grease the wheels of trade with massive new infrastructure projects; Morgan Stanley estimates spending will total $1.3 trillion by 2027.

....Belt and Road has become so integral to China’s foreign policy strategy that a reference was added to the Communist Party constitution in 2017. At least 157 nations and international organizations have signed up (including more than 60 in 2018), with typical plans including roads and power plants in Pakistan and a high-speed rail line in Indonesia.

...Yet some partners are weighing the benefits against concerns that projects will leave them saddled with debt and beholden to a foreign government, after Sri Lanka was forced to cede a newly developed port to a Chinese company in return for relief on some of the $8 billion it owed.

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I hope America stays #1.  We need to increase our GDP at a quick rate to beat China.  Any ideas?

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I mean, Japan was on pace to pass America economically in the 90's, people were certain of it and boy how things have changed. But there are other factors here with China, population being a big one. I am frankly uncertain.

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I think the US should merge with the EU to stay ahead of China.  Get Canada and the Tasman countries in the new country too.
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what the hell
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USMCA is a protectionist deal protecting Mexico and Canada (and us) from China.