-> @Shila95% or so of believers are lying about their beliefs.There are a number of various atheist churches with various venues.Do you recognize why atheists are opening them up, and do you agree with them?RegardsDL
--> @GnosticChristianBishopPolytheist _Witches: Of course there's a growing number of atheist churches, they're shallow, jealous, small human beings that need to steal from others to be complete.
--> @ShilaThat might also explain the better atheist morality.RegardsDL
--> @ShilaMy Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia, misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.If not atheists, then who.I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.RegardsDL
--> @ShilaMy Kingdom to have the power to have atheist walk their talk, as it pertains to homophobia, misogyny and abdicating of ones responsibility for ones actions to a savior.I guess that how quickly atheists and other moral people end those sins will be what atheism, at the end of the day, will be judged by.Someone needs to light a fire under the asses of decent people.If not atheists, then who.I am not an atheist, having suffered my apotheosis, but I recognize quality.RegardsDL
--> @ShilaYou see that as moral equivalency?I see it as the opposite.Here again I offer my sympathy to your poor thinking.I'm out of here.RegardsDL
-> @ShilaPolytheist-Witch: Well considering you don't even know what a witch is I'm not really worried about you going out looking for witches to be targeted. Dumb cunt.
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PGA2.0 1131 to ludofl3x[a] The argument was, which is the more simple explanation. But since you raise the assertion that the biblical God is undemonstrable, I totally disagree. The evidence is reasonable for His existence.[ . . . ]Fact: The Bible describes our condition and why humanity is in the current situation, why evil exists, and the solution.[671]Fact: The Bible contains hundreds of prophecies that are reasonable to believe were written before the event they describe.[672][ . . . ]Fact: Many eternal writings from the time period also speak of this Messiah figure and confirm the biblical accounts.[673]These are just a few of the many facts that confirm the biblical narrative and a belief in God.[674] I could get into a lot more depth and show the intricately connected and unified nature of every biblical writing. I could show you from history the reasonableness of these writings happening before the events prophecies. I have contended many times that the evidence for is far more reasonable than the evidence against, and if you want to get into it, I am willing. So, don't tell me there is no evidence, or it is reasonable to believe this God is mythical or magical.[675][b] Which is more simple...God spoke, and it was so. He said, "Let there be light, and it was so"[676]..., or somehow nothing came into existence via a Big Bang for no reason that resulted in the complexity and diversity of the universe as it evolved from the simple to the complex, also for no reason?What is more simple, God created us as reasoning beings made in His image and likeness with the ability to reason and love, or...non-living inorganic chemical matter mixed forming molecular bonds and more and more complex molecular structures, eventually acquired consciousness (how we don't know), thus, becoming living organisms in a most basic form - one-celled organisms with complex engineered systems that move, feed, expel wastes, reproduce, and eventually die. From these common ancestors, transitions took place over billions of years of evolution through mutations and genetic engineering partly governed or influenced by the environment. The most adaptable survived, and the weak were eliminated. These mutating organisms became more and more complex, eventually resulting in us humans. [677]
PGA2.0 1153 to Theweakeredge[d] The current model (presuming you speak of the Big Bang) does not necessarily exclude belief in God. The universe coming into being does not necessarily exclude God as the reason for its existence. At least belief in God is reasonable. A chance happenstance universe is not. There lacks a reason for such a universe.
Theweakeredge 942You took two sources and cherry-picked specific things that would align with your version of events, these things did most likely occur, you provide no discredit besides cherry-picking and not understanding how science works. Science isn't a collection of facts, its the observation of reality, and the scientific method is a process for finding the best and most verified version of that.PGA2.0 1153I took the posts and noted the highly speculative language involved, the language of what if and maybe, the language of possibility, not a certainty.
PGA2.0 1153 to Theweakeredge[b] What is illogical about the Christian God?[678] From a necessary mind comes other contingent minds. From necessary life comes contingent life. From a necessary intelligent and logical mind comes other intelligent and logical contingent minds.[679] And what do we ever witness? We see that life comes from the living, not from something non-living.[680] We see that logical beings come from other logical beings.[681] We see that beings capable of love and reason are derived from other beings with the same attributes.[682] We do not see otherwise, yet this is what you believe. Thus, it is not me who is being inconsistent and illogical. I believe it is you who created the fairy tale.
3RU7AL 1152He might have disavowed the concept of there being a VOLTRON, but he certainly knew there was such a concept. So, he has beliefs about such a VOLTRON. He even speaks of the angry Jewish VOLTRON, or the Christian incarnation, so he was aware of this VOLTRON; he had concepts of what such a VOLTRON is like, even though he grossly misrepresents VOLTRON. And how well does his concept stand up to the scrutiny of a VOLTRON being impersonal?It's important to remember that just because someone knows what a VOLTRON is, that doesn't mean they necessarily think VOLTRON IS REAL.PGA2.0 1154Then he would have had a belief about what "Voltron" is before he could deny the concept of such a thing as an actuality. He could not deny something he had no beliefs about. Thus, he had a belief about Voltron before he denied it. The same is true of atheism.[684] There has not been an atheist on this site I have corresponded with who did not have beliefs about gods or God (capital G meaning the Christian God as the true God) in their denial of the said gods/God. Thus, atheism is a belief system.[685] It denies one form of belief to accept another,[686] but it understands both and has beliefs about both systems of belief.
Wrong, that's one reason why I don't think it was designed, and that wasn't a bias, [a] I came to that conclusion from sorting through the literal libraries of evidence to support my case, the other major reason is that there has been no demonstrated intent behind the universe, there has been no demonstrated god either, so no that is not the only reason, but you haven't even proven that! [b] You haven't even disproven my point, all you've done is gish gallop away, content with your position that proves literally nothing, as you have not given any opposing evidence. No, this is you appealing to ignorance, a logical fallacy, this is dismissed because as another said, you are the king of fallacies.I don't care if you "think" my view is unreasonable, I want you to prove it's unreasonable which you haven't done at all.PGA2.0 1154[a] You sorted through the evidence from a particular paradigm in which God was not looked upon as a reasonable explanation. The worldview you chose avoided looking to God or understanding things from anything other than a naturalistic perspective as reasonable. Now from a Christian perspective, everything in the universe demonstrates God. You fail to see this because you don't want to know or think about God.[b] This thread intends to show that the Christian worldview is more reasonable than the atheistic one. I can't prove something to someone that does not want to be shown proof.[687] As the NT notes Jesus saying, throwing one's pearls before swine results in them being trampled. I accomplished what I set out to do, show that the atheist is incapable of making sense of morality.[688] A preference makes nothing right;[689] it just makes it doable, as demonstrated by Hitler and perhaps thousands of other dictators throughout history, as well as with those who show that their morality is shifting and changing.[c] That statement always brings to mind what you would accept as proof.
PGA2.0 1131 to ludofl3x[a] The argument was, which is the more simple explanation. But since you raise the assertion that the biblical God is [not] demonstrable, I totally disagree. The evidence is reasonable for His existence.[ . . . ]Fact: The Bible describes our condition and why humanity is in the current situation, why evil exists, and the solution.[671]Fact: The Bible contains hundreds of prophecies that are reasonable to believe were written before the event they describe.[672][ . . . ]Fact: Many eternal writings from the time period also speak of this Messiah figure and confirm the biblical accounts.[673]These are just a few of the many facts that confirm the biblical narrative and a belief in God.[674] I could get into a lot more depth and show the intricately connected and unified nature of every biblical writing. I could show you from history the reasonableness of these writings happening before the events prophecies. I have contended many times that the evidence for is far more reasonable than the evidence against, and if you want to get into it, I am willing. So, don't tell me there is no evidence, or it is reasonable to believe this God is mythical or magical.[675][b] Which is more simple...God spoke, and it was so. He said, "Let there be light, and it was so"[676]..., or somehow nothing came into existence via a Big Bang for no reason that resulted in the complexity and diversity of the universe as it evolved from the simple to the complex, also for no reason?What is more simple, God created us as reasoning beings made in His image and likeness with the ability to reason and love, or...non-living inorganic chemical matter mixed forming molecular bonds and more and more complex molecular structures, eventually acquired consciousness (how we don't know), thus, becoming living organisms in a most basic form - one-celled organisms with complex engineered systems that move, feed, expel wastes, reproduce, and eventually die. From these common ancestors, transitions took place over billions of years of evolution through mutations and genetic engineering partly governed or influenced by the environment. The most adaptable survived, and the weak were eliminated. These mutating organisms became more and more complex, eventually resulting in us humans. [677][671] That is not a fact, for facts are undisputed.
[672] That is not a fact either. 'Reasonable to believe' also differs from true.
[673] Even that is not a fact. They merely confirms some aspects of some biblical accounts.I am confident you omitted many facts that do not suit your agenda.
[674] No. These claims, even if true, would not confirm the biblical narrative. Also, the belief in God is not disputed. Hence, its confirmation is irrelevant.
[675] A problem is that you have proven yourself to be unreliable. You invent and and deceive. You may be a Bible expert, but there are Bible experts who do not believe in God and have not proven themselves to be an unreliable source. So why believe you i.s.o. of some other Bible expert ?
[676] Again, it may be reasonable to believe that, given God's existence, him saying something would be simple. But God is complicated and him speaking would require God. Morever, according to you and the Bible, God's speach set in motion events through a mechanism that is so complicated that so far no one has been able to explain it.The simplicity of an event is not determined by the amount of information required to describe the resulting state, but by the amount of information required to describe the explanation, or in other words, the mininal length of the explanation. Thus for for example, the many worlds hypothesis of quantum mechanics results in a more complicated universe than the Kopenhagen interpretation, but relies on fewer assumptions, and is therefore a little simpler.
[677] The former is probably much more complicated, but we cannot be sure, as so far no one has been able to provide a coherent god-hypothesis. Referring back to my previous remark, all these mechanisms do not rely on additional assumptions. They rely on the fundamental laws of nature and evidence. Moreover, many god-hypotheses are possible (once we have the first one, which we still don't). Hence, there would still be no good reason to believe the creator of the universe is the god of the Bible.
To the ungodly "Preterist" PGA2.0,YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN: "For instance, Genesis 2-3 describes the fall of humanity under Adam."WTF? We can see that you are still as Bible stupid as Miss Tradesecret! LOL! The fall of humanity was because of Eve, and NOT Adam you Bible inept fool! Here, let me easily "school you once again" with the following passages that explicitly show EVE was the cause of the Original Sin! Understood?!”Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)"But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ." (2 Corinthians 11:3)"For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control." (1 Timothy 2:13-15)To prove again that Eve was the cause of Original Sin, Jesus as God punished her for her transgression in this manner: "To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” (Genesis 3:16)Now, wipe the egg from your face just like the last times you visited this prestigious Religion Forum where you were easily made the Bible fool which gave this Forum a bad name, and Christianity as well!YOUR HYPOCRITICAL QUOTE: "I don't have time to respond you your many, many allegations."But, you turn into another pseudo-christian hypocrite in your overrated and lengthy gibberish post #1552 in taking said time that you said you didn't have in the first place to address Amoranemix! DUH! LOL!PGA2.0, listen up, if you are going to stay around this forum again, then expect to be corrected again and again when I Bible Slap you Silly®️ just like before, remember? Sure you do!NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THAT IS AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS PGA2.0 WILL BE ...?
To the ungodly "Preterist" PGA2.0,YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN: "For instance, Genesis 2-3 describes the fall of humanity under Adam."WTF? We can see that you are still as Bible stupid as Miss Tradesecret! LOL! The fall of humanity was because of Eve, and NOT Adam you Bible inept fool! Here, let me easily "school you once again" with the following passages that explicitly show EVE was the cause of the Original Sin! Understood?!”Of the woman came the beginning of sin, and through her we all die." (Eccles. 25:22)"But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ." (2 Corinthians 11:3)"For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control." (1 Timothy 2:13-15)To prove again that Eve was the cause of Original Sin, Jesus as God punished her for her transgression in this manner: "To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” (Genesis 3:16)Now, wipe the egg from your face just like the last times you visited this prestigious Religion Forum where you were easily made the Bible fool which gave this Forum a bad name, and Christianity as well!YOUR HYPOCRITICAL QUOTE: "I don't have time to respond you your many, many allegations."But, you turn into another pseudo-christian hypocrite in your overrated and lengthy gibberish post #1552 in taking said time that you said you didn't have in the first place to address Amoranemix! DUH! LOL!PGA2.0, listen up, if you are going to stay around this forum again, then expect to be corrected again and again when I Bible Slap you Silly®️ just like before, remember? Sure you do!NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THAT IS AS BIBLE IGNORANT AS PGA2.0 WILL BE ...?
