--> @AmoranemixI feel like You have been working on this response post for close to four month now..But you got it out.Nice post man.
--> @AmoranemixI feel like You have been working on this response post for close to four month now..But you got it out.Nice post man.How can you be so sure?“The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russel
--> @Shila--> @AmoranemixI feel like You have been working on this response post for close to four month now..But you got it out.Nice post man.How can you be so sure?“The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand RusselYes, the intelligent meaning Bertrand Russel.
--> @Shila--> @AmoranemixI feel like You have been working on this response post for close to four month now..But you got it out.
Nice post man.How can you be so sure?“The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand RusselYes, the intelligent meaning Bertrand Russel.How can you be so cocksure?Wait: ““The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russel.”
How can you be so cocksure?Wait: ““The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russel.”
--> @Shila--> @Shila--> @AmoranemixI feel like You have been working on this response post for close to four month now..But you got it out.Nice post man.How can you be so sure?“The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand RusselYes, the intelligent meaning Bertrand Russel.How can you be so cocksure?Wait: ““The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russel.”Because it is not me I am trusting in. Bertrand Russel relied on his little old finite self.1 Corinthians 1:19New American Standard Bible19 For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,And the understanding of those who have understanding, I will confound.”Russel was confounded because wisdom comes from a greater source than himself.
Because it is not me I am trusting in. Bertrand Russel relied on his little old finite self.1 Corinthians 1:19New American Standard Bible19 For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,And the understanding of those who have understanding, I will confound.”Russel was confounded because wisdom comes from a greater source than himself.So you don’t even trust yourself. And you don’t trust Bertrand Russel
“Russel was confounded because wisdom comes from a greater source than himself. ”But you trust a source that goes about destroying wisdom of the wise and confounding the understanding of those who have understanding.
1 Corinthians 1:19New American Standard Bible19 For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,And the understanding of those who have understanding, I will confound.”Look what that source did to Jesus.
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”
The end of the age happened in AD 70, just like Jesus told His disciples it would. Read the rest of the chapter. It applies to THE DISCIPLES and THAT GENERATION. Anything else is reading into Scripture something it does NOT say.What is the issue you have with these verses?
God forsook Jesus when He paid for the sins of humanity for all those who would believe.So what is the issue you have with the verse?
Atheism is more reasonable than Theism.Harikrish argued his case well.From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary.
He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter.
John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.Jesus said he was from an alien world.John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them.Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible.Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross?
Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."
Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status.
He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him.Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation.
If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.See link.
--> @ShilaAtheism is more reasonable than Theism.Harikrish argued his case well.From the Scriptures and the actions and words of Jesus we can conclude Jesus was an Atheist.You are really counter to what the Bible tells us in every way. Jesus kept referring to His Father who He called God. You are misrepresenting the truth of what is said.
But He answered and said, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God.’”Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus *said to him, “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’”Matthew 5:8
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.Matthew 5:9
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.But I say to you, take no oath at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne of God,Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.Matthew 6:30
But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!I can give you perhaps hundreds of examples. What you are saying is BS.
Atheist definition: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.Jesus mocked the religious leaders of his time. He called them vipers and scums just like Atheist mocked the believers today.Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?So what. That does not mean He did not believe in God. He was disguised with their worship (or lack of) of God.
Jesus called his body a temple and drove people out of the real temple of worship.John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."What does that prove?
Matthew 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.Jesus claimed he had all authority over his alien Kingdom and earth. Yet he stood idly by as the Romans destroyed the holy city and sanctuary.So what. He and the Father are one. He is God just as the Father and Holy Spirit are God.
He believed anybody who ate his flesh and drank his blood would have eternal life. Who needs a God if Jewish meat is kosher and gets you eternal life in the hereafter.The OT reveals God just as the NT does. What is applied to God in the OT is applied to Jesus in the NT.
Jesus wanted to be eaten by his disciples.John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.Jesus said he was from an alien world.John 8:23 I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.John 18:36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."Jesus was despised like most atheists were during his time. He comforted them.Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.You are really stretching things, twisting Scripture, and trying to make it apply to your pet theory or teaching. No where can you show Jesus is teaching thtere is no God.
Jesus on the cross mocked the God of the Bible.Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").No, He did not. He became a Man at the incarnation. Thus, the Man Jesus, fulfilling everything God required of a man by becoming a man, was asking why God had forsaken Him.So Jesus was just a man asking why God had forsaken Him.Were those last words of Jesus that motivated the Pope to declare Jesus was a failure of the cross?So what? The Pope was wrong if he is teaching such a doctrine but I doubt that is what he is teaching.We have a copy of what the Pope said. The Pope refused to correct or redact his speech when asked.Pope declared:"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross."It may have appeared to end in failure for those who do not understand what Jesus came to do, for those who do not believe. What is the rest of the context? Anyone can take a sentence out of context and claim the person is saying something that the person is not meaning and explains further.
Jesus called God his father throughout his life. By doing this he reduced God to a rapist and the cause of his illegitimate bastard status.No, He did not. Again, you speak of things you know virtually nothing about. You are ignorant of Scripture.
He even blamed God for his alcoholism like God willed him to drink the water he turned into alcohol.Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."He was not directing people to God, he was forcing believers to chose between family or him.Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.35 For I have come to turn ""a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"36 a man"s enemies will be the members of his own household."[c]37 "Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me.But if Jesus was an atheist as scriptures suggests who went against the religious leaders of his time by denouncing their beliefs. Then why do Christians worship an atheist Jesus?By worshipping the atheist Jesus they believe they are turning him into God by their exhaltation.No Scripture suggests Jesus was an atheist. What carp.
If the Pope did not remind Christians that Jesus was a failure of the cross we would be swamped by Christians on DDO. But we find DDO is full of happy atheists who take delight in the fact that Jesus was an atheist......Harikrish.See link.Not interested in your link.
It is strange why you'd only have one religion.I mean pick just one.If you are a member of Three religious groups ya more moral. Durrr.I'd join like four.
-> @ShilaUmmm, yeah .I'd be a Christian , Muslim jew scientologist..Spanning across three holy booksWell 4 actually, dianetics is it ?Plus, i just took Allllll the good shlt from each of them and just put the out dated gay hate / slave owning / magical bullcrapIve looked into the ease of which one can ummm " become " a Christian. And the other groups.Unfortunately I can't be jewish. And to be jewish you have to do the ( oddly not so easy ) singing chanting from the book thing.ButttttThe absolute ease of which i can be a Christian and or Muslim, its incredibly easy.Watch me shila.And. Powwwwww.See that.' I am right now a Christian 'I will remain a Christian until i send post.Oh anddddddddd i am also a Muslim.And you know this how?Because. ....... I SAID I WAS SOOOOOO I AM.This ease of which i can be a christian from most of the denominations . may want to be addressed.Peoples could actually just like say they are a Christian.And get this.....Get this.They could like say they are a Christian and not even be a Christian deep down inside.Can i get a Allah akbar , amen, and whatever the scientology lot do. ( Alien overlord )Alien ,Allah amen akbar. ( thats my chant. )On sending this post i will transformed back into my dead atheist self.Good day.
--> @ShilaI didn't say remain a atheist.I dont have to not not believe in god.You dont go from christian to atheist.Being a atheist fells like nothing until you are asked and or realize you are what they consider a atheist.Im a atheist now.And now i am a Muslim.Buttttttt watch me become a Christian.And I'm a Christian.10And a 9.And a 8.And a 7654,3,2,and a 1.' Catches breath 'See that shlt. I too like to live dangerously.Inter denominational.Multi denomination at once.I crouch down , place my head between my kness.Then i simply tilt foward.Well thats how i roll.
--> @ShilaFirstly.' stands whith arms open 'bring it in big fella. A quick hug.You reply was WELLLLLLLL below par. With a note added made for a hint of , ( talking to yourself in the third )Picture me hurting real real bad like from that powerful rebuttal.Ouch.As a fellow Catholic for the last 3 - 4 mins i am going to forgive you for that my brother.If you are having trouble with me changing from one religion to the next. May i suggest you pic it with the transformers noise.
I didn't say remain a atheist.I dont have to not not believe in god.You dont go from christian to atheist.Being a atheist fells like nothing until you are asked and or realize you are what they consider a atheist.Im a atheist now.And now i am a Muslim.Buttttttt watch me become a Christian.And I'm a Christian.10And a 9.And a 8.And a 7654,3,2,and a 1.' Catches breath 'See that shlt. I too like to live dangerously.Inter denominational.Multi denomination at once.I crouch down , place my head between my kness.Then i simply tilt foward.Well thats how i roll.
--> @Deb-8-a-bullI didn't say remain a atheist.I dont have to not not believe in god.You dont go from christian to atheist.Being a atheist fells like nothing until you are asked and or realize you are what they consider a atheist.Im a atheist now.And now i am a Muslim.Buttttttt watch me become a Christian.And I'm a Christian.10And a 9.And a 8.And a 7654,3,2,and a 1.' Catches breath 'See that shlt. I too like to live dangerously.Inter denominational.Multi denomination at once.I crouch down , place my head between my kness.Then i simply tilt foward.Well thats how i roll.phenomenal
The end of the age happened in AD 70, just like Jesus told His disciples it would. Read the rest of the chapter. It applies to THE DISCIPLES and THAT GENERATION. Anything else is reading into Scripture something it does NOT say.What is the issue you have with these verses?Jesus openly confessed he was clueless. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.”
Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.
--> @ShilaThe end of the age happened in AD 70, just like Jesus told His disciples it would. Read the rest of the chapter. It applies to THE DISCIPLES and THAT GENERATION. Anything else is reading into Scripture something it does NOT say.What is the issue you have with these verses?Jesus openly confessed he was clueless. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.”Speaking in His human capacity, not His godhood. But notice very carefully that Jesus said the day or hour they would not know but when the time is at the door they would.Matthew 24:32-39 NASB32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, [b]recognize that [c]He is near, right at the [d]door. 34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For [e]the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not [f]understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.So, from these verses you can gather lots of information.1. Who are the subjects of the passage? Have you a clue? Who does "you" refer to in context??? Can you answer that?2. What are "all these things" Jesus is referring to?3. Jesus says that "this generation" will not pass until all these things have taken place. Which generation is He speaking about? (Hint: it can only be one)4. Just like in the days of Noah speaks of judgment. Judgment on who, in context?
Now remember the context of Matthew 24:3 (see below). Jesus was speaking to His DISCIPLES about the end of the age. Age of what? What age did His disciples live in? It was the age of temple worship and the OT economy where everything revolved around God's relationship with OT Israel. Show me differently.Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.Notice, what follows from verse 3 of Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one [a]misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [b]Christ,’ and they will [c]mislead many people. 6 And you will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 And at that time many will [d]fall away, and they will [e]betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and [f]mislead many people. 12 And because lawlessness is increased, [g]most people’s love will become cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end is the one who will be saved. 14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole [h]world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Perilous Times
15 “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—[i]let the [j]reader understand— 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 [k]Whoever is on the [l]housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. 18 And [m]whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 Moreover, pray that [n]when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no [o]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [p]elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the [q]Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great [r]signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the [s]elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man [t]be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the [u]vultures will gather.
The Glorious Return
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.Show me how these verses can apply to any other generation other than the 1st century one Jesus came to and show me the "you" is generic rather than audience SPECIFIC, from the text (remember, we want to understand who the relevant or primary audience is that Jesus is speaking to, not us the secondary audience). We want to understand the timeline also. What does that imply to you, our generation or a 1st century generation? Pay also to the verb tense, whether past, present, or future.
Atheists pretending to be theists doesn't scare me.What would be scary isImagine a theist with the caliber of smarts as a Zed or a stepping hen.Obviously such a being couldn't exist but.Well that would be scary.
Let’s chat about the atheist religion and it's superior to the God religions.' morals.Believers in the mainstream god religions often denigrate and discriminate against atheists, non-believers and rival religions on moral grounds. Godless mean without a moral sense to them.
Last month, almost 1,000 people streamed into a [Atheist] church in San Francisco for an unprecedented event billed as “Beyoncé Mass
