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@Lunatic
He was bluffing
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He was bluffing
Figured. I guess my comment about not getting to use my role til the following night phase was kind of calling him on that bluff lol
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
The no breadcrumbing rule... It seems problematic, as people hint stuff as part of the game (heck sometimes even accidently), and where the line is drawn between the two is unclear.
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@Lunatic
Oh, one small suggestion (this goes to anyone on any scum team): have your discord set to invisible most of the time.
In fact, it wouldn't be a bad idea for all players in Mafia to just set their discord to invisible throughout the game, so as to avoid any risk of analysis focused on that.
I have a pet peeve against such out of game thing, so I don't make points of it during the game.
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@Barney
Oh, one small suggestion (this goes to anyone on any scum team): have your discord set to invisible most of the time.
Is that why you had a "gut" read on me dp1?
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@Lunatic
No. I can't however deny that it does cause a slightly increased top of mind presence.
One part of the gut feeling, came from the argument between you and Drafter, to which I estimated that one or the other was be more likely to be scum. Not perfect reasoning, but if not Drafter, then Lunatic.
The threat to quit in DP2 felt inauthentic. But to be completely fair, at the end of DP2 I was utterly convinced Supa was scum.
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@Barney
Why did you think Supa was scum?
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@Lunatic
bluffing. I was confirmed town at that point so any gambit that might set SCUM off their game seemed warranted.
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@SirAnonymous
Supa's lovers claim was anti-town, bits of play, and of course hammering oro.
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@Barney
No. I can't however deny that it does cause a slightly increased top of mind presence.One part of the gut feeling, came from the argument between you and Drafter, to which I estimated that one or the other was be more likely to be scum. Not perfect reasoning, but if not Drafter, then Lunatic.The threat to quit in DP2 felt inauthentic. But to be completely fair, at the end of DP2 I was utterly convinced Supa was scum.
Fair enough. Ironically I didn't even dis-agree with drafter that much. The argument was supposed to make me look authentic, since it was something we argued in the past. Also I was trying to set myelf up for a back up claim, and lynching the miller or the lovers dp1 wasn't ideal for that play. I actually don't mind day phases ending early as much as I did in the office mafia, the argument was mostly designed fo town cred to look consistent. That's why it's a shame that I offended drafterman so badly, because I do like and respect him a lot. I was actually pretty excited that he returned to mafia.
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@Lunatic
I would have hoped you flipping scum would have mitigated his frustration.
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@Barney
I would have hoped you flipping scum would have mitigated his frustration.
Maybe. I am guessing the main reason he left was because I asked in the mod discord how blocking works, and he wanted speed to take action on me for "outside game talk". I am not sure asking how a site function works is out side game talking, but I think he was offended the mod didn't take his side on that and punish me for it. That's my guess why he ulimately left.
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@Lunatic
In a recent game outside talk on discord went way too far, such that seeing even that put me at slight disease... However, yeah, it's a basic clarifying question about the website. While it relates to the game, it's pretty far from an actionable offense.
Heck if I'm in a game or not and someone clicks the report button on a post, I have to put my mod shoes on as a neutral outsider.
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@drafterman
I see that you're still coming online occasionally. Just thought I'd tell you that you're still welcome here. You don't have to leave.
I'm going to make a post to set the record straight.
Lunatic asked a question in the mod chat about how blocking works. He got his answer. He then followed it up with a snide remark about how I'm giving him the silent treatment.
This is unequivocally a statement about the game (since it could not possibly be referring to anything else) made outside the game, and I wanted Speed to respond to it. I did not demand Lunatic be punished or even warned, I explicitly said a reminder would be fine.
In response, Speed created an arbitrary game rule targeting me. And that is ultimately why I left the game. Regardless of any issue I may or may not have with Lunatic, I was handling it. But when the mod is going to invent spite rules, it's time to bow out, so I did.
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@drafterman
You literally said you would request a replacement if I allowed him to direct snide remarks at you outside the game, to paraphrase
I try not to get involved in other people's arguments and business but I'm not gonna be used as a puppet to resolve issues that literally shouldn't even be issues in the first place
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@Speedrace
literally...to paraphrase
This bothers my inner Grammar Nazi.
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@SirAnonymous
LOL
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@drafterman
I'm going to make a post to set the record straight.Lunatic asked a question in the mod chat about how blocking works. He got his answer. He then followed it up with a snide remark about how I'm giving him the silent treatment.This is unequivocally a statement about the game (since it could not possibly be referring to anything else) made outside the game, and I wanted Speed to respond to it. I did not demand Lunatic be punished or even warned, I explicitly said a reminder would be fine.In response, Speed created an arbitrary game rule targeting me. And that is ultimately why I left the game. Regardless of any issue I may or may not have with Lunatic, I was handling it. But when the mod is going to invent spite rules, it's time to bow out, so I did.
I agree that new rules mid-game is problematic. Lunatic should have either been ejected for breaking the rules or retained after warning. I guess the real question is what's the rule on blocking going forward? I find it very hard to play vs. GP and RM since they both have me on permanent block, apparently. I do think that setting up a block mid-game is an out of game mechanic with the power to influence the game on par with talking shit in the mod chat and we should probably just generally agree not to do that. I wish I had the influence to suggest that GP and RM unblock me for a games but they don't need any further discouragement from participation.
Speaking of participation, are you going to keep playing or are you gone again?
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@Speedrace
You literally said you would request a replacement if I allowed him to direct snide remarks at you outside the game, to paraphrase
Yeah that is ridiculous that the stipulation was placed on you for the blame. I would have just replaced a player for threatening the mod like that in general lol. I don't think the comment was snide either, more like "Okay then, so I am purposefully being ignored, good to know. At least I know it isn't because he can't see my posts".
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@Lunatic
Right it really wasn't even snide
If Speed kicked me from the game for giving an ultimatum. Sure. I would accept that. But that's not what he did.
He created an arbitrary rule just to spite a player in the game and I feel that is wholly unacceptable.
But more distressing is that no one - except oro - apparently even seems to care about that fact. So if this is what is acceptable to the mafia community here then no, I will not be continuing to play here.
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@drafterman
I agree that making a rule just to spite a particular player is wrong. However, I don't have access to the mod chat. I can't see what was said behind the scenes, so I have no information on which to make a judgment.
I don't think the rule is "arbitrary" based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
Mafia is a game that very much requires interaction, blocking and not responding people suspends that interaction and harms the integrity of the game. Even oro, the person you qouted, seems to agree with that, interesting you chose not to mention that part, and only the part that toots your own horn.
Also speed doesn't make up the whole mafia community anyway, so it is really just being petty, especially that you are removing your role list as well. That said, I don't harbor any ill will towards you and if me being in a game will stop you from playing, I will abstain from games you sign up for if you still decide you ever want to play.
blocking someone isn't a game action, blocking is site wide, so lunatic can talk about the block without it technically being game chat.
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@SirAnonymous
I agree that making a rule just to spite a particular player is wrong. However, I don't have access to the mod chat. I can't see what was said behind the scenes, so I have no information on which to make a judgment.
This was literally it. No deep conspiracy. I asked how a site function worked to see if I was being ignored or if my posts couldn't be seen.
I don't think the rule is "arbitrary" based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
I do.
Mafia is a game that very much requires interaction, blocking and not responding people suspends that interaction and harms the integrity of the game. Even oro, the person you qouted, seems to agree with that, interesting you chose not to mention that part, and only the part that toots your own horn.
The issue isn't whether or not "not blocking people" should be a rule in mafia. The issue is whether mods, in the middle of the game (in the middle of a day phase, no less) should create rules directed at the behavior of a single person out of spite. If it was like that from the beginning of the game, I wouldn't have blocked you in the first place. If he decided to make it a rule in between phases for whatever reasons, well I can't say how I would have reacted. But it is still wholly different to having a disagreement with a mod, and the mod going, "fine, if you don't like it I'm making a new rule" that just happens to target something you've done in the game.
Also speed doesn't make up the whole mafia community anyway, so it is really just being petty, especially that you are removing your role list as well. That said, I don't harbor any ill will towards you and if me being in a game will stop you from playing, I will abstain from games you sign up for if you still decide you ever want to play.
If it's petty and you don't give a shit, then follow through with that. Don't give a shit and move on. But I'm watching how people react to this and the only person to actually disagree with creating a rule in the middle of a phase to spite a player (regardless of what that rule is and whether it would have been an appropriate rule to have in general) is oro. Sir objects now that I've explicitly made this a sticking point, but given a chance to respond initially, he was more concerned about grammar.
Point, is the general take away is that this is just a joke to be laughed off. And I am not Okay with that.
it would also be another thing if this was a "heat of the moment" thing, but Speed seems to be doubling down that this is an acceptable thing for a mod to do.
As far as you and me...
Yes, you've said a thousand times you have no ill will. It's not about your will, it about how, for whatever reason, how you argue ticks me off. Whether it just happens to be that way or whether you do it intentionally, I realize is immaterial. Point is, engaging with you was hurting my game play. So rather than continue to be tempted to engage with you, I decided to block you as a deliberate strategy to try and rebuild credibility in the game.
That I was almost lynched showed me that getting wound up by you (regardless of your intentions) was counter productive. Since you weren't actually raising any relevant points (just rehashing a meta argument, apparently to build your own credibility) then I saw no need to address them. By blocking you, that was less temptation to do so since I would have no notifications I needed to respond to. It was an in-game tactic, nothing more. But distancing myself from you was necessary in order to try and reconstruct my stance as a townie to be listened to so I could actually get something done in the game.
As far as your comment in the mod discord, I can't see that as anything else but an intentional zing at me. After all, why go there? You already had existing lines of communication with the mod via your role PM and the mafia discord PM to ask questions. Yet you deliberately chose to use the discord you knew I was in, despite being quite on the record that you didn't like using the mod discord. You basically went out of your way to ask it there, rather than in your existing line of communications. Nor did you simple take it and leave it once you actually got the answer to your question, you had to make a directed comment about me. However petty or mild anyone judges this, it was still unnecessary and about a game in progress. It's not acceptable no matter which way you cut it.
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@Bullish
Except the only thing I'm involved in is the game. The only behavior of mine you could logically be talking about is my behavior in the game.
But, and again, the main issue I have, is a mod creating a rule to spite a player in the middle of a game.
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@drafterman
He created an arbitrary rule just to spite a player in the game and I feel that is wholly unacceptable.
Fair enough
The rule wasn't arbitrary in the slightest though