In light of this development and Oro's recent blunder essentially incentivizing mafia to spare the lovers and confuse us more, I am really starting to wonder about Oromagi.
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So here is who I am thinking.
1. If we lynch me or Intel, that means the next DP is MYLO. This is too big risk too take in our lynch, especially since we have no idea what mafia roles are
1. If we lynch me or Intel, that means the next DP is MYLO. This is too big risk too take in our lynch, especially since we have no idea what mafia roles are
2. Losing watcher sucks, only way to confirm our roles besides a doctor
My top scum reads are still Drafter and Skittlez
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@MisterChris
Oro decided to tempt scum into trying to nightkill him. It didn't work. Evidently he has a role that would be harmful to anyone who visits him and I think it is a good idea we know it. If you're worried about scum being given too much info, don't be. He admitted this information openly ruining any chance scum would try to do anything to him. Oromagi has basically thrown away the utility of his role.
Having a nonvisiting role doesn't necessarily mean his role would harm anyone who visits him, but your general point makes sense.
In light of this development and Oro's recent blunder essentially incentivizing mafia to spare the lovers and confuse us more, I am really starting to wonder about Oromagi.
That's an interesting thought. Also, I don't think oro usually does gambits like trying to draw the NK like that. You may be on to something.
I think Oro is town from that in general. I don't think Oro is lying about that and his bait of the NK would make sense. I think Oro is town
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@oromagi
@Speedrace
VTL oromagi.
Please give us your full claim and justification.
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@Vader
He literally incentivized the optimal mafia move and exposed his role to the detriment of town. He's by far our best scumread rn
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@Lunatic
thoughts?
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@MisterChris
Except that analysis only makes sense from the POV that he’s town. What’s the scum motivation for his actions?
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@drafterman
It's a gambit for favor with town if he is mafia. A front he is putting on.
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@MisterChris
If you believe he’s lying, then it’s not the case that he “exposed his role to the detriment of town.”
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@drafterman
So basically:
1. He says if the two lovers survive they are a solid scumread.
The lovers survive miraculously...
A potential attempt at getting mislynches.
2. He says he tried to draw out the nightkill, trying to buy town cred. Despite the fact that any smart town would NOT do such a thing.
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@drafterman
If you believe he’s lying, then it’s not the case that he “exposed his role to the detriment of town.”
Well, yeah.
I'm trying to say it's illogical from a town perspective. It only makes sense from a mafia one.
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@MisterChris
2. He says he tried to draw out the nightkill, trying to buy town cred. Despite the fact that any smart town would NOT do such a thing.
Why not?
And how did you rule out “dumb” town?
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@drafterman
Because if he were genuinely town, it would be obvious that by saying this he throws away the utility of his role. No one, especially no one as smart as he is, would reveal their role after one failed gambit attempt for no reason.
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@drafterman
And how did you rule out “dumb” town?
Because oromagi is brilliant. And I've never seen him make mistakes like these in the games I've played with him, much less two in a row that are so obvious a relative newbie like me could pick up on them.
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@MisterChris
He hasn’t revealed his role.
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@drafterman
He hasn’t revealed his role.
You know what I mean.
He admitted this information openly ruining any chance scum would try to do anything to him. Oromagi has basically thrown away the utility of his role.
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@MisterChris
Ok. Oro is brilliant. Does this strike you as a particularly brilliant scum move such that “a relative newbie like” you can immediately see through it?
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@drafterman
No. It strikes me as a failed gambit that only makes sense from a scum perspective.
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@MisterChris
So oro is brilliant town but is lackluster scum?
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
Maybe? Not seen him as scum. That said, I want to see what some of the other veterans like Lunatic have to say about this.
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@MisterChris
Can you explain why your assessment of oros brilliance only pertains to him being town?
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@drafterman
Because I have never played a game with him as scum. I do know that if he were town he would never pull moves like this.
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@MisterChris
Sure. But I must say that’s a fairly biased and high expectation to put on someone. He can’t make a mistake or he’s scum?
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@drafterman
I think I've outlined why this is an especially exceptional situation. These are moves that are pretty obviously bad... and it's not just one mistake, it's several. If you'll remember, I discounted the 1st mistake as evidence pretty quickly, but I'm starting to see a pattern now.
Anyway, I'm off for tonight. I'll check in early in the morning
Been drinking, so won't be too active tonight.
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@MisterChris
In light of this development and Oro's recent blunder essentially incentivizing mafia to spare the lovers and confuse us more, I am really starting to wonder about Oromagi.
Either I incentivized SCUM to not kill LOVERS or I blundered.
If you're giving me credit for keeping the LOVERS alive then where is the fault?
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@MisterChris
@SpeedraceVTL oromagi.Please give us your full claim and justification.
I will advise TOWN that outing my ROLE is anti-TOWN even thought we're already halfway there.
Take a vote. IF 4/7 say out my ROLE in spite of my advice, I will.