Arrowverse Mafia - DP1

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@Vader
I'm not analyzing theme. I'm contrasting his role with the justification. My justification pretty much explicitly defines my role (I did X, therefore I am an X).

His doesn't line up (He did X, therefore he is a Y)

If his role says he kills, then I consider that a strong indicator that he is a killing role.

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Not sure there's enough evidence for a Skittlez lynch. I'm inclined to agree with Supa that Skittlez is a wait & see situation. That said, I would like to make it known I don't have a huge knowledge of Arrowverse lore. 
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@skittlez09
They would claim miller for the exact reason of your retort: to claim that mafia would never claim miller therefore you aren't mafia. It's called WIFOM.

And generally speaking it isn't a scumming role because most players accept it as face value.
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@skittlez09
People have been getting away with claiming miller. Also this might be a roles madness game, which if true makes vanilla a scummy claim.
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@Barney
Right, but does your role in this game mention killing? That's my point. It is the specific actions from the show that Speed deigned important enough to include in your role PM that dictates your role. This is my assertion.
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If anyone has any questions about Arrowverse lore, feel free to ask me. I'm a big fan of those shows (as much as I only watch Supergirl crossover episodes).
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@drafterman
His doesn't line up (He did X, therefore he is a Y)

If his role says he kills, then I consider that a strong indicator that he is a killing role.
I'm not sure we can make that assumption. You're basically saying any notable trait = corresponding power role, and we just can't assume that because inevitably there will be those with character quirks and no power role. 
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I'm saying that if speed put it in your PM, then it relates to your role. Are you saying this isn't the case for you?
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@drafterman
the wiki literally says 

a Mafia member with a guilty result upon them may claim to be a Miller to avoid being eliminated (though this doesn't usually work in practice).
this other one also states that 

The standard in the SA Mafia community is that millers should (and do) claim on Day 1, sometimes even in their first posts

What was i supposed to do? Claim later on, get a guilty result by a cop, the cop than outs himself to the entire mafia team an im lynched. 

sorry but id rather claim dp 1 than die bro 
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And it's not assumption, it's induction.
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I'll say that skittlez early claim is a point in his favor. But a miller should be factored in as a mislynch so I'm not overly worried about being wrong 

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@drafterman
No, it is. I'm just not sure your theory will be accurate across the board. 
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@drafterman
That is a good point. My role PM does not mention the murders, unlike:
hi im savitar an ive killed lots of people but deep down im just a broken guy who nobody understands. Therefore im a miller if im investigated at night ill flip guilty. I am town.
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@skittlez09
That is a wiki for an entirely different site with an entirely different manner of playing mafia.
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skittlez seems the scummiest of them all.
This is vague and an obvious wagon 
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@drafterman
That is a wiki for an entirely different site with an entirely different manner of playing mafia.
Firstly who cares if its a different site, mafia is mafia and ive seen the wiki referenced many times throughout our games 

Secondly what makes me claiming miller in this site different from claiming it on their site? 

also please answer this question i asked u earlier 

What was i supposed to do? Claim later on, get a guilty result by a cop, the cop than outs himself to the entire mafia team an im lynched. 

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ill be more active later i gotta go to class 
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@skittlez09
No, mafia is not mafia everywhere. Each site plays it differently and develops a different culture around it 

And as a town miller, you should definitely claim it openly and early. But you shouldn't expect it to earn you a free pass.

But I'm not voting you because you're miller. I'm voting you because the role PM narrative of your character doesnt line up with your actual role.

If you claims, say, doctor with that same narrative, I'd be doing the same thing. That you have claimed miller is irrelevant.

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alright my class ended. So basically what happened is that I tried to VTL skittlez first and somehow, when I was wandering, drafterman or someone posted the exact same vtl. It is no wagon at all. Coincidence yes.
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@skittlez09
Yea but I got issues with that

1. Early claiming these roles isn't the best thing
2. Your claim is scummy because of what your role is. You should understand this
3. You calling town "dumb/stupid" for lynching an SOP is not the best behavior
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@drafterman
Fair enough. My role does the same
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@drafterman
It's called WIFOM.
I've never really understood WIFOM at all. Never a clear definition of what it was. Your example kinda helped with that so thanks lol
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My PM directly relates to my role. I do this psyche a lot in my games, similar to oro's WWTT strategy. If anyone has an indirect or direct relationship not similar to town, I start to sus
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If anyone has any questions about Arrowverse lore, feel free to ask me. I'm a big fan of those shows (as much as I only watch Supergirl crossover episodes).
Ayyyyyy
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If skittlez is scum, I am willing to lynch someone who is a veteran. His response to that situation seemed somewhat scripted by someone guiding him in general to say that. 
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*eats breadcrumb* MMMMM
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Oro's was actually funny

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TOWN                         Claim                    Role
3. oromagi                 .                               .
1. skittlez09               Savitar   [1#7]    MILLER
7. MisterChris            .
9. Ragnar                    .
5. Intelligence_06   .
2. drafterman           .
4. SupaDudz             .
8. SirAnonymous   .

AWoL
6. Lunatic                 .
SCUM


UVC
Skittlez (3/5): Drafter, Intelligence,
Supa (1/5): oromagi,
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@Lunatic
You're the last to arrive, so to encourage activity...

VTL Lunatic.
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@Barney
He's clearly thinking of a fake claim. FOS