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@K_Michael
As an atheist, I clearly believe they're both wrong.
They are contradicting one another.
As an atheist, I clearly believe they're both wrong.
Stephen,YOUR REVEALING AND CORRECTLY ANSWERED QUOTE: "Brother, it appears that once again you (and Timothy) have, with one single verse, blown the idea that none believers won't be going to heaven , clean out the water."Yes, with the correct syntactical reading of 1 Timothy 4:10, EVERYONE is truly saved whether they believe in the serial killer Jesus or not. Look at the good side of this biblical axiom, you and I will meet again in the Christian 1400 square mile Heaven with it's 60 high walls, that should keep out the Mormons and JWs! Just think of getting together again, where in Heaven there will be NO WOMEN, where this alone is worth the free ride to the Pearly Gates!Yes, it will be a glorious day when we are there, but the only aspect that I regret in the future of Heaven, is there will be so sex since there will be no women. Whereas, I followed Jesus' words while upon earth in being fruitful and multiplying (Genesis 1;28), and in doing so, I went through many wives because their life ambition was to be able to sit up. :(.In any event, praise Jesus' TRUE words!
Infants need their mothers. And while I certainly agree that infants do need their mothers - as a general principle. I also know that many infants in our world survive without their mothers so far as their are others who are willing to take on that role. And in the story of Noah - there are 8 people who are willing to take on that role. AND who would do well in the circumstances.
As for the notion that mothers need to be their to protect them - eh what? a new world with only animals from the ark - not a heck of a lot of other animals to protect them from - and ah what - the other animals are infants - so not too dangerous yet?
im not interested in the OP #29
Yes they are. What do you want from me?
As I have shown in my initial post, I knew the Bible ignorant Tradesecret could never address the outright outcome of 1 Timothy 4:10,
I still say that Tradesecret is an outright POE/Parody of a pseudo-christian.
[ -->@Tradesecret] I find you a reasonable person, who can often speak of some aspect of their religion in an easy to understand, insightful way.
omg I can't wait to go to hell can't wait to play with fire and hang out with people I like!
Infants need their mothers. And while I certainly agree that infants do need their mothers - as a general principle. I also know that many infants in our world survive without their mothers so far as their are others who are willing to take on that role. And in the story of Noah - there are 8 people who are willing to take on that role. AND who would do well in the circumstances.What do you think an infant lion or leopard need their mothers FOR, exactly? Why would eight people who were not biologists or zoologists "do well" in taking on the role of, say, "Bear's Mom" AND "Chimp's Mom" when both have extremely different requirements? Where in the bible does it say they had the skills to sustain these animals, literally at least two of every kind on earth, so there must have been something like 700K beetles alone on board? Chances are the writers of this cribbed tale didn't have any idea how many animals there ARE on earth, right? Please explain "would do well." My guess is your answer likely has some element of magic in it that's undemonstrated and not in many of the bibles: "God gave them the knowledge" or "God removed those needs from the animals" or "God made magical food for them and it showed up every day in the food room".
As for the notion that mothers need to be their to protect them - eh what? a new world with only animals from the ark - not a heck of a lot of other animals to protect them from - and ah what - the other animals are infants - so not too dangerous yet?How quick do you think a baby lion, without the nourishment required from mother's milk, would figure out to grab the weakest baby antelope, who can't run, because it hasn't eaten? They need protection from EACH OTHER.
Well, If God tells us to find hope in even the worst scenarios, then we could easily have hope in Hell. It is golden opportunity that I get to have a place such cozy and can help me to ingore the externals and achieve inner piece and achieve internal happiness. If a religion teaches us to be afraid of something, then sorry no. I would rather be an atheist, living liberal and myself.
Opponents of the Ark theory always exaggerate the number of animals and their size in order to mock the notion completely. For some reason, ridicule is the primary weapon that an anti-Ark person likes to use in their fight. They tend to leave reason and logic behind.
Of course Noah and his family did have significant knowledge, accumulated over a significant number of years.
Gee how do baby lions do it now without adults around?
Can lions eat rotting flesh?
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Barring Tradesecrets biblical ignorance in the numbers game relative to Genesis 7:2, therefore, we will use his exact numbers relative to his comical Bible rewrite of the amount of infant animals upon the ark.
In turn, you NEVER demonstrated BIBLICALLY where Noah put 98,000 infants upon the Ark in an absolute manner, do you understand this simple return deduction, or do you need further help, Mr. attorney?
“I also know that many infants in our world survive without their mothers so far as their are others who are willing to take on that role. And in the story of Noah - there are 8 people who are willing to take on that role. AND who would do well in the circumstances.”
In relation to your quote above, you are to answer the following to "TRY" and save what face you have left within this forum:
1. How did Noah determine clean and unclean infant animals upon the Ark X 98,000 “kinds?”
2. How many specific infants out of the 98,000 animals have the ability to survive without their mothers milk for 371 DAYS UPON THE WATERS with only one pair of unclean animal to feed upon?! How many Zoologist fool?!
3. Logically, how did the 8 people you mentioned upon the Ark take care of 98,000 infant animals for 371 days upon the waters in giving them food and the clean up thereafter, let alone themselves?
4. Within the 8 people upon the Ark, and with the said 98,000 infants you proposed, did the women folk BREAST FEED these 98,000 motherless infants 3-4 time per day as normal, and where said women DO NOT have the genetic antibodies that are needed for that specific "kind" of animals immune system?
5. Subsequent to the Ark reaching dry land, how are these 8 individuals going to teach 98,000 infant animals to hunt for their prey? Huh? Does drawing the short straw tell that person they have to head beyond the Arctic Circle to teach the polar bears how to hunt? Do you understand your laughable premise yet?
“As for the notion that mothers need to be their to protect them - eh what? a new world with only animals from the ark - not a heck of a lot of other animals to protect them from - and ah what - the other animals are infants - so not too dangerous yet?The 98, 000 infant animals of various “kinds” upon the ark have to be the same animals that are present today. Therefore, as only one example, the gazelles upon the ark need protection from the lions, and so on and so forth, Then you take the remaining “kinds” where they have to be protected from their known predators as well!
:“Your argument is baseless and you know it. It sucks doesn't when a creationist - although I am not one - beats you up with logic.”We ask you, where do you get this authority to change adult animals for infant ones? TELL US!
Therefore, will you take it upon yourself to lobby your fellow equally Bible inept pseudo-christians throughout the world that what has been perceived in your opinion over the millenniums in only showing ONE PAIR OF ADULT ANIMALS entering the Ark is blatantly wrong, where you explicitly state it should be 98,000 "infant animals" loading upon Noah's ark instead! YES? MAYBE? LOL!
" I also notice that the apologist here have given the OP a very wide birth."As I have shown in my initial post, I knew the Bible ignorant Tradesecret could never address the outright outcome of 1 Timothy 4:10,
Therefore, he owes me! LOL.
I still say that Tradesecret is an outright POE/Parody of a pseudo-christian, because who other than a POE would make such fun of the Christian faith like he has explicitly done in his comical Noahan Flood posts?
Why do you conintue to clog up my thread with your OFF TOPIC comical acceptance of infants were placed upon the ark in the number of 98,000 like you said, and the direct ramifications thereof?! YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED AT YOUR RUNAWAY POST #8 TO THE MAIN TOPIC! When I posted my #9 post in response, the only thing that I did was casually mention my number one favorite of your comical rewrites of the Bible was said infants were loaded on the Ark. You could have said to take the conversation to the appropriate thread to make you the continued Bible fool that you are!NOW, SINCE YOU REMAIN IN MY THREAD REGARDING EVERYONE IS GOING TO HEAVEN, INCLUDING NON-BELIEVERS AND YOU AS A CHRISTIAN POE IN MAKING FUN OF CHRISTIANITY, THEN CHAIN UP AND DISCUSS THE THREADS TOPIC!
I checked those links you have given regarding Tradesecret being the #1 Bible ignorant fool on this forum. Didn't you love this outstanding statement when he said "For God to do supernatural things would be to suggest that God is some type of superman. He is not."
HUH?!!! The serial killer Christian God named Yahweh/Jesus only created the entire universe of billions of light years in size, flooded the entire world and murdered His entire creation, including innocent babies, caused sickness in His plagues, AND GOD IS NOT SUPERHUMAN? !!!ROFLOL!!! OMG! No pseudo-christian is this dumbfounded, therefore this proves once again that Tradesecret is a POE/Parody in being a fake Christian to make fun of the faith!As shown in the following link, Tradesecret continually RUNS AWAY from my posts relating to Jesus' true words within the scriptures, where I have listed 8 of them at this time, and they will continue to grow in number because what he thought he knew about the faith, he embarrassingly didn't. LOL