You can technically be pro-life and pro-choice at the same time.

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There is something called the NAP.

No...no. Not where you sleep in the middle of the afternoon. It is the Non-aggression policy. The NAP has a philosophy similar to that of traditional religion: If I like something or dislike something, I shouldn't project the idea with force upon another. If I like this thing, I, nevertheless, shouldn't force other people to like it regardless of that they like it or not.

Keeping the idea of the choice of keeping the baby to herself is both pro-life and pro-choice. Such women on such issue would sound like this.

"Yeah, I feel it is a right to women. Like women should be able to choose if they abort the baby or not. Others could easily abort. Me? I won't. My baby means a lot to me and I will probably not abort her, but I respect those who really want an abortion and I believe they have the chance to do it, as well as not do it, just like me right now."

I mean, Pro-life vs pro-choice isn't really pro-abortion and anti-abortion. Being both pro-life and pro-choice means valuing life, but at the same time not shoving your idea up of someone's stomach. It is possible to be both, and being both is not half bad.
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People are confusing pro-life with anti-abortion. This is like confusing liberalism with anarcho-socialism. They are similar but very much not the same.
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seems obvious. 
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for what?

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allowing abortion is pro choice even if you want the baby to live
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Notice I didn't use anti-abortion. I still value the fetus like any other pro-life person but I respect other people if they want abortions or not. Just being pro-life does not mean you must be a bigot. Being pro-life means you mind the fetus.
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no, pro life is anti-abortion, your choice in the 1st post is pro choice
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Believe what you wish to believe then. Pro-life values all life, It is called pro-life for a reason. Fetus lives matter. Women lives matter.
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I agree with that preposition, life matters meaning abortion ought to be illegal
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Fine. Be a pro-lifer that shoves thought up pro-choicers throats. I will be the guy that accepts people who abort but actually woulr suggest non-abortion should my partner get to choose unless it is that urgent.
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I am too young to experience this, but why you: a man, get to shove opinions up women's uterus? You are acting as if you hate all abortions. You are like as if you are FORCING, not even suggesting anymore.
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this country(USA) was founded on self-government-the ability for people to vote and outlaw things that are detrimental to society in their opinions after debate. I dont think that is forcing opinions on people
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I am too young to experience this, but why you: a man, get to shove opinions up women's uterus? You are acting as if you hate all abortions. You are like as if you are FORCING, not even suggesting anymore.
Funny how 7 males ruled in favor of Roe. But ya males definitely shouldn’t be talking if they they don’t have a uterus right?
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Can you actually prove that human life really matters more than any other life?  (Religious assumption not being considered as actual proof).

I would assume that you are as selectively moral and biased as the next person.

After all, death and killing are essential for the sustenance of life.

I would suggest that everyone is selectively pro-choice and pro-life.
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I am a NAP, I am pro life but do not have a problem with abortions unless it's late term. I just don't think abortion should be funded federally
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Federally funded abortions comes at the taxpayers expense. I believe abortion should be privatized with govt regulation. Federally funded abortions violates the 1st Amendment
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Pro-life means you value fetuses life and won’t abort. Anti-abortion means you are against all abortions. The former doesn’t require you to be a bigot while the latter does.
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no being against abortion does not mean you are a bigot
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i think you have to understand that your position is inherently pro-choice. many pro choicers prefer if the baby lives but say that its the womens decision at the end, there is no way you can claim you are for that and be pro life at the same time
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"Yeah, I feel it is a right to women. Like women should be able to choose if they abort the baby or not. Others could easily abort. Me? I won't. My baby means a lot to me and I will probably not abort her, but I respect those who really want an abortion and I believe they have the chance to do it, as well as not do it, just like me right now."
That is a pro-choice position
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Saying this is the pro-choice stance is like saying the pro-choice position is anti-life. “I think I should not abort” is still pro-life.

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By being anti-abortion, you are telling others what to do. You are offensive to them. Just valuing fetus’ life will make you pro-life, and you could just mind your own business.
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again,we have a right to self-govern.This means that the people have a right to vote and pass laws on abortion

forcing people is the whole idea.ITS A LAW
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Ok, so what you are essentially telling me is that any person that keeps their idea to their self is and is only pro-choice.
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no it is not pro life, not aborting and then supprting legalized abortion is pro choice