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@SirAnonymous
I am hated townie because I was responsible for ordering Pickett's charge.
-Grey
Civil War Generals Mafia DP1
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@That1User
Ok then.
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@Greyparrot
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Do I remain hated in MYLO/LYLO?
I am mostly null reading many people right now, so I won't make a full reads lists, but here are the town reads I have picked up on so far. You can call it my town bloc.
SirAnon- Feels town to me, genuine, wanting to use the rest of the day phase. Nothing rubbing me wrong yet, though I know he is fully capable of fooling me.
Greyparrot- I wanna say town but I will admit I don't have much strong to back this up; Knowing grey his general strategy of late seems to be early claiming, though I have no reason to doubt he would do it as scum based on his comments last game. Grey actually did feel pretty townie in the last game, and I am pretty sure that's the most useful I've ever seen him so if he ends up playing like that again I will know for sure. But if he's scum, his claim is hella risky. The problem with him claiming hated is that mafia will likely leave him alive, and if he's alive in a LYLO situation that would spell game over for town. It's a big brained play if he' s scum, and not that I don't think he's capable of being big brained, I just don't think he is willing to pull those kind of risks. Last mafia game I hosted with him as scum and speed as his partner, he went with his actual character which resulted in him getting lynched. Grey doesn't take risks like that. So this makes me think he is town, though if he is town and left alive by mafia, that is going to be really unfortunate.
Supa- More bad logic, but here goes: he was the first to claim the IWWTT statement. I don't remember as mafia in pie's narcos game if he gave us the town IWWTT statement, but I don't think he did. If I am wrong here I'd be passing off supa as town for something dumb I realize, but it definitely looks good for him.
As of right now I would not consider a lynch on any of these people.
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@Greyparrot
I imagine you'd have to ask that privately for you to get an answer lol
I have to agree with Lunatic on this one. Croc is virtually useless as town and very scummy in behavior. That said, I'll hold off on voting because as BearMan points out, mafia will jump on the wagon hard if I do. By the end of the day phase I'll likely be voting Croc though
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@Lunatic
What's IWWTT
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@MisterChris
I can understand wanting to use the whole phase, but the logic of "mafia will jump on the wagon hard" isn't that a good thing lol? If you think hammering and ending the phase early is scummy indicates a mafia member, seems if town you would want someone to do that to give you something to read into.
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@Vader
What's IWWTT
I Win With The Town. We used to abbreviate it when lie detectors were more common on DDO.
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@Lunatic
Ah fair enough
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@Lunatic
I can understand wanting to use the whole phase, but the logic of "mafia will jump on the wagon hard" isn't that a good thing lol? If you think hammering and ending the phase early is scummy indicates a mafia member, seems if town you would want someone to do that to give you something to read into.
With the whole phase we run less risk of a mislynch. Not that mislynching Croc would be a huge loss, but given the extra time we could potentially uncover tells that lead to a more certain scum candidate.
You do make a good point though, if I bring it up to 6/7 that last person is highly sus.
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@Lunatic
I imagine you'd have to ask that privately for you to get an answer lol.
Why? I would just be repeating what pie says.
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@MisterChris
With the whole phase we run less risk of a mislynch. Not that mislynching Croc would be a huge loss, but given the extra time we could potentially uncover tells that lead to a more certain scum candidate.You do make a good point though, if I bring it up to 6/7 that last person is highly sus.
Like I said, not arguing that we should end the phase early. I would like croc's role before he is potentially lynched anyway.
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@Crocodile
Can you full claim?
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@Greyparrot
Why? I would just be repeating what pie says.
Answering publicly gets into a grey area about confirming roles. If he wants to town confirm you I won't complain, I am just saying he is more likely to respond privately.
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@Lunatic
Like I said, not arguing that we should end the phase early. I would like croc's role before he is potentially lynched anyway
Alright, but I won't vote Croc until he gives his role. That way, we can at least know if he is something super important.
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@Lunatic
fine, whatevs
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@MisterChris
uh yeah, that's what I said lol
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@Lunatic
and not that I don't think he's capable of being big brained,
I'm not even close to being experienced enough at mafia to pull that off as scum
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@Lunatic
Well not completely. You said we shouldn't swing the lynch hammer until he gave role. I don't want to bring it up to 6/7 to set up the lynch hammer. But yeah, basically same thing
So basically here's my thinking right now when it comes to reads
I'm not even sure why the Croc lynch is happening besides what Lunatic says, and even that, there's such a weak reasoning behind it that I don't find it viable to lynch him at all. Furthermore, I don't think that Croc is the best lynch target right now until he expresses some behavior. Right now, his non complicity with town is a concern, but that is how Croc somewhat plays as town, and while I think it's detrimental, I am not fond with the idea of lynching right now until he shows more behavioral patterns to warrant a lynch on him right now. I wan't to dive in deeper
Mharman's contributions have been lacking in a lot of places, he has been just to util to town as Croc has, minimum. You can even look at it.
Mharman's contributions have been lacking in a lot of places, he has been just to util to town as Croc has, minimum. You can even look at it.
I don't have enough behavioral analysis on That1, but they come off as a slight town. They had some good thoughts in general and I think they are going about fine. I could be just blind because I've never seen their scum play in general
TNBinc's reactions and questioning is a noob town IMO. I don't think as a noob scum, he'd be answering these questions with no idea how to play. When I was scum with TUF, I never asked these question when I had no idea how to play in general. His bandwagoning also thinks he is just paranoid and wants to follow the most townie
TNBinc's reactions and questioning is a noob town IMO. I don't think as a noob scum, he'd be answering these questions with no idea how to play. When I was scum with TUF, I never asked these question when I had no idea how to play in general. His bandwagoning also thinks he is just paranoid and wants to follow the most townie
Speed is a null. His scum play is usually a lot more pushy on certain lynches and I really don't see the same in this game. But again, it's Speed, and he goes into my null just due his master manipulation tactics in general. He's always in a null category
For everyone else, they are null
And by behavioral analysis, I mean response with scum versus response with town, not how they post
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@MisterChris
Well not completely. You said we shouldn't swing the lynch hammer until he gave role. I don't want to bring it up to 6/7 to set up the lynch hammer. But yeah, basically same thing
I didn't say anything about bringing him to L-1. If he is a believable power role were not lynching him at all, we will just have to bite the bullet on his un-helpfulness and hope he can be good with getting us results assuming we believed the claim.
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@Lunatic
fair nuff
I see pressuring as an act of creation, it's a great way to create content and generate reads
I saw this from That1 and kinda got a bad feel. I only use pressure when it is a L-1, when a result comes back that suggets their mafia. Putting pressure on a group of people causes paranoia. While I did say, fair point, I somewhat disagree. Conversational that leads to VTL'ing is much different than pressuring someone.
Am I the only one that takes pressure as a negative tool?
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@Vader
I'm not even sure why the Croc lynch is happening besides what Lunatic says, and even that, there's such a weak reasoning behind it that I don't find it viable to lynch him at all.
The main reason he is being lynched is that he messed up the IWWTT statement. The rest is just extra reasons.
Furthermore, I don't think that Croc is the best lynch target right now until he expresses some behavior.
And how do you force behavior out of someone? By applying pressure right? Also you just modded a game with croc playing, what behavior did anyone ever get out of him in that game other than lurky/laziness?
Right now, his non complicity with town is a concern,
He got on, saw he was at 5/7, and rather than claim, or adress the concerns he says "hm ok"
but that is how Croc somewhat plays as town, and while I think it's detrimental, I am not fond with the idea of lynching right now until he shows more behavioral patterns to warrant a lynch on him right now. I wan't to dive in deeper
Letting him continue to get away with detrimental behavior is going to allow you to "dive in deeper"?
Also my grammar is off in stuff, I know. I tend to see things after I post, and since there is no editing, I can't do that besides just correct what I say lmao
Vote Count:
Croc (5/7) - Greyparrot, That1User, Oromagi, TNBinc, Lunatic
Please correct me if I’m wrong
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@Vader
I'm not even sure why the Croc lynch is happening besides what Lunatic says, and even that, there's such a weak reasoning behind it that I don't find it viable to lynch him at all.
I disagree personally on this one. I think Croc is by far the strongest lynch candidate of day 1. If not for being scum, for being a really lame player. He just doesn't care AT ALL that he is at 5/7. I'd be having a cow in his shoes. Plus he isn't contributing squat, so if there is no suitable alternative by the end of the day phase he is the best lynch candidate.
If he starts contributing and actually playing, or if he comes out with a valuable role, I'd reconsider.
Anyway, the rest of your analysis I totally agree with