Naruto Mafia DP2

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In that case it's worth a shot I think.
Behavior imo is most indicative of affiliation. Just my two cents. Croc’s is anti-town. Mine has been pro-town. I don’t see a reason why I would claim that I was a bad guy as a scum member. I don’t see why I would’ve claimed soldier if I was scum.
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I am really tired. Vote count will go up tmrw, unless someone has it right now
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iLikePie5 [1/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, Pattern, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

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Oro laid out a pretty good case against you, and the truth is even if you aren't scum it informs us more about the theme split. At the moment I'm not so sure about the Croc alternative.. I'll keep observing that situation... but for now you're the best candidate imo. 

A lot can change by tomorrow night so who knows if you'll be lynched or not honestly. 
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@oromagi
Right now I am trusting Grey, and his investigations could prove useful if he guesses the right person.

I admit I have not properly considered Chris, he may very well be the best choice (if you'll pardon the pun).

If pie is scum, I doubt the scum team would have him do the killing again.

Pattern... The whole Croc amnesiac thing confused me (still a little worried he'll be eating a corpse), so he's a viable choice in case he's an arsonist priming people or something (worst case, I've blocked a vanilla, not costing us any power role for the night).


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and the truth is even if you aren't scum it informs us more about the theme split.
It really doesn’t though since no else has claimed to not be a part of the Allied Force. Out of the whole argument this is the weakest point imo. It essentially just goes back to the good vs evil claim which he himself said isn’t likely. 
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In that case it's worth a shot I think.
Behavior imo is most indicative of affiliation. Just my two cents. Croc’s is anti-town. Mine has been pro-town. I don’t see a reason why I would claim that I was a bad guy as a scum member. I don’t see why I would’ve claimed soldier if I was scum.

I'm not big on behavior reads but even so, Croc's gameplay is consistently anti-town irregardless of  alignment and your gameplay is consistently pro-town irregardless of alignment.

You would have claimed SOLDIER because it is a role you've looked at before and realized it a good claim for scum because it can't be tested until the final round.  If town believes SCUM they might actually work to preserve scum for the final round.  You don't have to claim any info or movement so you get the VANILLA treatment but because it is rare, folks don't suspect it as much as a VANILLA claim.  I think its a very good choice for scum.

Thinking meta- the odds that you chose to go with SOLDIER because you were familiar with the role  because you deployed in a game of your own recently is far, far higher than the odds that Supa went with some esoteric role from drafter's list.  Every other role except for Speeds seems pretty traditional.
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A lot can change by tomorrow night so who knows if you'll be lynched or not honestly. 
DP ends 8/30 11AM CST

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Grey - I trust him too since evidently he was right about who you visited. I wouldn't use roleblock or lynch.

Chris- Must've been the sexy jutsu distracting you lol

Pie- Indeed. Too much pressure on him as it is. 

Pattern- Even though Pattern and I have butt heads here I'm pretty convinced he is town at this time. You can refer to my post here for a couple reasons why: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4700/post-links/196716. He says he is vanilla so... I wouldn't waste my roleblock but it's up to you. 

Croc- I'm a bit skeptical of jumping on the lynch train right now. Croc may have not done himself any favors being lurky but Croc's role and results make sense. Croc also hinted before at being Kakashi (remember when he said "I am Naruto's teacher") So at least he's been consistent. IDK, maybe I'm just not sensing something here that others are. Anyway, he is a viable candidate for roleblock... Just to see what happens.

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Seriously? Dang. 
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Thinking meta- the odds that you chose to go with SOLDIER because you were familiar with the role  because you deployed in a game of your own recently is far, far higher than the odds that Supa went with some esoteric role from drafter's list.  Every other role except for Speeds seems pretty traditional.
Strongman Vengeful is not pretty tradition but ok. The fact I got my own role is nothing for than coincidence imo. Supa randomly selects the roles to the best of my knowledge. Mimic if you choose to believe that is also not a traditional role. 
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Strongman Vengeful is not pretty tradition but ok.
agreed.  that's why i said except for speed.


The fact I got my own role is nothing for than coincidence imo. Supa randomly selects the roles to the best of my knowledge.
Not impossible, just far less likely than the choice was yours.


Mimic if you choose to believe that is also not a traditional role. 
perhaps not.  I have had this ROLE twice, both on DDO years ago so perhaps my perspective is skewed to think it is more common than it is.
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perhaps not.  I have had this ROLE twice, both on DDO years ago so perhaps my perspective is skewed to think it is more common than it is.
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Mine and Crocs based on other people’s reasonings because you agreed with them
before i go to sleep id like to say that i never voted for u at all and croc i formed an opinion on my own 

i woulda voted him whether or not town had my back or not bro 

i was prolly the first one to question his lurky behavior in the first place
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iLikePie5 [1/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, Pattern, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie


u made a mistake with pies count
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Ok let's continue on with NK's, I got an absolute perfect strategy. 

Protective Roles: Protect Greyparrot (confirmed tracker)
Investigative Roles: Investigate one of the inactives (we need to find if they are mafia)
Roleblocker: Roleblock one of the inactives (lazies as Pattern says)
Tracker: Track whoever you think is the most sus
Watcher (if there is one): Watch whoever you think will be targeted (power roles)


As you can see, we need to begin to get a crackdown of the lazies. Including Croc, Water, and Skittlez. Judging that most of the roles are being protected, mafia can't easily kill a power role tonight.
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Not nk

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iLikePie5 [3/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris
Crocodile [3/6] BearMan, Pattern, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

around 3 hours remain


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Your latest character list is dishonest and manipulative. I was not CCed.
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I already unvoted croc after he clarified that he wasn't claiming amnesiac. 

But unvote, vtl pie
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iLikePie5 [4/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris, Pattern
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

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@ILikePie5
Can you give us your latest reads and who you think we should pursue next day phase in the case of you flipping town?
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We have less than 2 hours left. We either gotta go pie or its a no lynch.
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@Vader
Are you open to a few hour extension? Should have mentioned this earlier but most people aren't gonna be on this early in the morning. I rarely am either but I passed out early.
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I'm ok with giving a few hours more on the extension, but certainly not a lot


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Attention: The DP will now end at 1PM CST. 

Usually I don't do these type of extension, but it's a Sunday and I'm going to be inactive for most of the morning so yeah. Not even much tbh in the first place

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That should be enough time. If it's not then it's 100% towns own fault if we dont lynch.
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Updated for formatting (it bothers me... wish this forum could hold tables), and to carry people's nighttime claims (it could also maybe carry their best reads from the day?)

X.That1User               Sakura Haruno         HIDER(weak)          ???
X.Speedrace              Gaara                             VENGEFUL (PGO)  N/A
TOWN                          CLAIM                          ROLE                           NP1 TARGET       NP2 TARGET 
oromagi
Ragnar                         Ensui Nara                  ROLEBLOCKER      iLikePie5
iLikePie5                     Kaguya Otsutsuki    SOLDIER                   N/A
Crocodile                    Kakashi Hatake        MIMIC (vanilla)     Pattern 
WaterPhoenix
BearMan                     CHOJI   Akimichi        VANILLA                   N/A
skittlez09
Greyparrot                 Sasuke Uchicha        TRACKER                 Ragnar
MrChris
Pattern                        Hinata Hyuga             VANILLA                   N/A
iLikePie5                    Kaguya Otsutsuki      SOLDIER                  N/A
SCUM                          CLAIM                            ROLE                         NP1 TARGET       NP2 TARGET
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iLikePie5 [4/6]  oromagi, Rangnar, MrChris, Pattern
Crocodile [2/6] BearMan, WaterP
Ragnar [1/6] GreyParrot
Skittlez [1/6] Pie

I'll be back in an hour and 1/2
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This seems obvious, but do not roleblock croc please. Assuming he isn't killed or fvcked with, if he gets results for tomorrow it will confirm like 3 people. I can see why there was a last ditch attempt to get him lynched lol.