Tradesecret wrote: I'm not sure what you are saying about religious conviction. In my view EVERYONE is religious. I say religion is inescapable. Humans are religious beings.
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Is it wrong to say people have 'faith that 2+2=4?
And though this faith is not wrong, it can lead them to false conclusions in situations?
Of determining through past experiences,Some people are not always what they seem,Friends turn out to be secret serial killers,One day a family member commits a crime, and their family insists they 'never would have done such.
Hm, no I don't think so,Though I'm not making examples with intuition being true,I assume you already agree with me that intuition 'is often true, or hinting at 'something true,Though I'll argue for the truth of intuition of you like,
In the 'moment however, I'm arguing 'against people who claim no need or use of belief.I think.
What 'qualifies as evidence?Would personal experiences qualify?For surely faith does not arise without reason or cause?
If an uneducated fellow is shown calculous, will he understand?Or is evidence something 'personal at times, as well as shown other times?For a person can 'learn calculous,Yet 'if God were to exist, can a person 'not learn of God?
Insist you might, that 2+2=4, can be shown, while God cannot,Well, I am not a prophet, God, or a Miracle,How shall a Caveman be taught calculous, when 'evidence of calculous yet exists for him?
Of the religious,Can one not argue they have felt and seen justification for their faith, thousands of times?Though perhaps this varies, and others find certainty, a difficulty, well,
You don't view as true common statements you make of everyday life?
Well, I 'suppose some people might be skeptical and precise of life,I'd say I have faith that my coworker won't suddenly knife me,Sure I suppose he could go psycho one day, but I'm pretty sure of my belief.
I'd also argue as I did early on in this thread,When I do a Google search for synonyms of faith, one of the matches is trust.And when I do a Google search of synonyms of trust, one of the matches is faith.Though as SkepticalOne says,Faith can have a more specific meaning, related to religion.
Though I don't think that faith is or has to be without facts of information myself,Depends how one uses it I suppose.Though it's true people sometimes accept information on faith,Meaning they've not thought it through themselves, but have faith in the provider of said information, that they'll not lead them astray.And then,There's other people who's faith is 'renewed, by an experience or proof.
I'd agree though,That my trust/faith in my brother,Would have been formed through experiences, insights, intuition, 'somethings,Rather than being founded on itself.
Faith and belief are both assumptions in the absence of factual data.
Yet we are expected to accept out of hand a persons faith/belief in a supernatural floaty about creation guy.
Faith and belief are both assumptions in the absence of factual data.
Because that faith is based in my personal experiences I don't expect anyone else to believe what I believe. And I don't expect anyone else to have the exact same experiences spiritually that I've had.
I believe there's spiritual value in practicing established religions, engaging in ritual, reading and living by religious text.
I'd agree that faith doesn't quite work as a basis,And even when people do make a decision, because they have faith in X,I'd suppose there's 'reasons they have faith in X, rather than faith being the reason they have faith in X.
Bit difficult to do 'anything 'just by instinct I'd think, no rationale or thought,But intuition works as a hint often, I'd think,If it's a sense, something 'experienced, why not put 'some value on it, though 'maybe not all.
Suppose I had a bad feeling, but was unable to explain why,Would it be logical to 'act on that feeling, despite not possessing any evidence?My action or belief that I need take an action, would be justified by a feeling without evidence,Though I say justified 'personally, not objectively or good logic necessarily.
People 'are saved at times, by listening to their gut,By acting on their 'faith that something was right or wrong,Though, 'might be such cases are outliers, I couldn't say.Certainly people often run into trouble in life, when 'only thinking with their instinct,Still,
Well, I suppose I link instinct to faith,By one of it's definitions,"strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." - Definitions from Oxford Languages
And I link instinct to guts, feelings, like Spider Senses,Since if it's without proof,Why does it matter any?I suppose my answer is it feels a bit like a sense, to me,Though as I said earlier, senses aren't always what they seem, 'if faith could be 'called a sense, or faith chosen 'due to a sense.
Take PTSD, combat vets and their instincts,'Might be useful in times of war,Being careful where one sits, hypervigilant, taking cover action in response to loud bangs,Though in times of peace with family and trying to live and enjoy life, a detriment, I'd say.
And so on,Though the 'definition is inborn, the examples often enough use the word the similar way one would use intuition or feeling.I could say a politician acted intuitively, or had fine political sense,And it'd be similar to"He has been guided throughout his career by his political instincts."I could say she sensed danger, or intuitively felt she was in danger,And it matches to my mind, pretty well with,"Mere instinct alerted her to the danger."
Returning to the discussion though,I'm just not much bothered by myself or others listening to their intuition.
