Bastard States Mafia D1

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Idaho has beautiful scenery but is boring, therefore Vanilla

He never said anything about the scenery, just potatoes. Not sure whether you are just making things up or that McMuffin was laced with something really weird...
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https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4625-bastard-states-mafia-d1?page=7&post_number=174


Dude read the post

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vote count?
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@Vader
Oh okay, I was looking at this post:


Still seems like a shot in the dark. The idea is that every town justification says something good and something bad about the state right? But you are basing that on a miller claim, the whole point if a miller is to look bad while being good, and a 'vanilla' claim, where "your state is boring" is the most obvious justification for a vanilla in this theme. Lunatic is the beloved princess though. Of course Warren is going to say only good things about the beloved princess while talking shit about the miller.
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I'm basing it on my PM, Miller, and Croc. 3/12 of the players I know have that format, so 25%. 

My other claim is that the pattern is the negative connotation is what the role is based off of. Miller for Water, Vanilla for Croc, and mine makes sense too. The fact that Lunatic's is off a positive is weird and fishy to me overall.

Only thing preventing me is the CC and the Beloved Princess, but IMO I think that's Lunatic's way of diverting lynches on him by claiming "extra NP means scum can win" (im not saying he would, but it's a hypthetical

And that whole talk shit versus not I believe doesn't apply looking at consistencies. What makes you believe any different?
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I'm basing theory off what's given to me and that can change. Implying that Lunatic isn't the same way seems fishy
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My other claim is that the pattern is the negative connotation is what the role is based off of. Miller for Water, Vanilla for Croc, and mine makes sense too.
But even if that is true in general (I am not convinced) I don't see how it could be true for a beloved princess. How do you make a justification for a beloved princess that relies on a negative comment? Other roles maybe, like "You are _______ and there is a shit ton of crime there so you are a cop" or "You are _______ and there is a shit ton of gun violence there so you are the vigilante" but in the case of beloved princess the whole point is that everyone loves the princess. How do you make a justification like "Your state sucks for X reason therefore everyone loves you"? It just doesn't make sense.
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Hence why I think it's a fake claim, because there would've been a negative connotation that makes sense, but it is only a positive. There is no way to form that argument, hence why I think he's lying looking at the pattern because, well, duh, he isn't a Beloved Princess
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Besides, Crocs reaction to people asking him for a role was super sketchy. "I don't have a role plz no lynch k thx bye" then leaving us not the way to handle a situation like that as town.
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So then your theory relies on it being impossible for the mod to make a beloved princess role in the game in the first place, but the mod can do whatever they want because the mod is just one letter away from being god.
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I mean yeah if your theory is "it is impossible for there to be a beloved princess in this game" then of course you are going to scum read the beloved princess claim, but I don't see any substance behind that theory.
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Anyway I need to get ready for work and don't want to clog the DP with back-and-forth talk. I will give others a chance to to give their two cents on your McMuffin idea.
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Supa mod psyching in a bastard game. Love it lol.
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Hence why my vote is on him, but I'm saying that dismissing Lunatic is not a smart thing to do. There are scum theory and suggestions that can lead to him being scum. Some people are forgetting that

So then your theory relies on it being impossible for the mod to make a beloved princess role in the game in the first place, but the mod can do whatever they want because the mod is just one letter away from being god.
If a mafia claims a certain role, they usually are not that role they claim. Hence, the name, fake claim. I'm not saying it is impossible, but extremely low looking at the pattern I see
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McMuffin Idea
I love this name. Anyone who does not call my theory the "McMuffin Idea" is anti town. Disagree with the McMuffin Idea, but don't disrespect the name
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I also had a Dunkin Donuts coffee
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you don't have a role? i don't think that's possible...
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Game Info

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press: 1/7 (ragnar)
croc: 5/7 (lunatic, water, oro, pie, supa)

If you think I've made a mistake please let me know.
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Im down to take a gamble on croc 

wrose comes to worse we kill a vanilla 

and if we get lucky we'll get a scum 

seems pretty reasonable to me 

VTL Croc 
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I don't mind hammering, but if anyone wants more time they should say so.
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Has press even posted yet?
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Nevermind I just checked pressF's profile and he has not been online for 10 days. I would like him to be replaced then make his replacement say some words for the record then lynch croc.
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Looking for a replacement for press?
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OK, i guess we're waiting then.
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Sure, why not? We have an absent player and over 24 hours left.
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i mean, i'd bet press would say the same thing we're saying  but if you guys wanna wait i'll wait.
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Even if there is no replacement in time to contribute to dp1 it gives Warren more time to find one so we don't have an absent player for dp2.

Waiting is the best townie move in my opinion.
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DD feels town
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Even if there is no replacement in time to contribute to dp1 it gives Warren more time to find one so we don't have an absent player for dp2.

Waiting is the best townie move in my opinion.
Or the best scum move if he's mafia. Lack of guidance could have played a role in Croc's slip.