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@secularmerlin
Then what is the standard?
I will bet you.
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@Mopac
Standards plural, and they are merely my subjective opinions.
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@secularmerlin
But you wouldn't say that it is objectively true that you have subjective opinions or standards?
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@Mopac
I'm not sure humans can know anything with objective certainty so no.
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@secularmerlin
Seems rather absurd and arbitrary.
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@Mopac
Most things are absurd and everything is either arbitrary (qualia) or meaningless (quanta).
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@secularmerlin
Well, that's just like your opinion man.
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@Mopac
Our opinions are the only thing that render meaning onto the reality unless you can demonstrate otherwise.
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@secularmerlin
You can't even substantiate that claim.
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@Mopac
No I cannot but the universe would not stop existing if it had no meaning therefore meaning is unnecessary to existence therefore unless it can be demonstrated we can dismiss any claim that it does have objective meaning.
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@secularmerlin
If you can't say that objectively there is subjective meaning than there is no meaning at all. That is what you are saying.
How do you know the universe would keep existing if there was no meaning?
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@Mopac
I can't know for certain but I have no reason to think that it has any meaning in the first place so until that is demonstrated this is all just conjecture.
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@secularmerlin
How can you say there is no meaning when there is meaning all around you?
You are even using words, which without meaning do not even exist.
If the universe exists without meaning, what do you mean by the universe?
You say there is no meaning, but that cannot be true. You are using meaning to convey that there is no meaning.
No meaning
No value
But you say you believe in science? This I find difficult to believe. It sounds to me like you are claiming to believe in nothing.
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@Mopac
We assign value to things. Value is subjective. Things have meaning only because we assign value to it. Unless you can demonstrate an objective value system I have no reason to believe in one.
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@secularmerlin
True
False
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@secularmerlin
Aren't all things just abstract concepts, isn't that just an easy way to dismiss the importance of something?
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@Wylted
Who said anything about dismissing the importance of money. But seriously since you agree that it is an abstract concept you owe me ten money. Don't welch now.
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@secularmerlin
Okay, but I am paying you in crypto currency. I'll give you 10 sfter the most popular one crashes in 2045
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@Wylted
Fair enough.
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@secularmerlin
Stop, I am trying to get the last post on every forum topic.
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@secularmerlin
I did not say that it wasn't a useful made up concept. If it did not facilitate human interaction it would be an occasional curiosity rather than an all pervasive fact of modern living. That doesn't change the fact that money itself is intrinsically worthless and only has the worth we ascribe to it.Also you owe me ten money.
Well stated.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaanddddddd... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQUhJTxK5mA
Money is an evolutionary tool. It inspires the handful of people that really matter, to get on with things.
It also inspires all the other organic human dross to do the donkey work.
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@zedvictor4
Indeed... the donkey work? What precisely is the donkey work?
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@secularmerlin
The donkey work maintains the illusion.
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@zedvictor4
You seem confused. I did not ask its purpose but for its definition.
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@3RU7AL
Nice video.
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@secularmerlin
Apologies.
Maybe it's just a British expression.
Donkey work is defined as: The boring or laborious part of a job; drudgery.
And your contenention here is that some people do not have work they consider drudgery that they must do?
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@secularmerlin
You seem confused. I did not ask its purpose but for its definition.
R B Fuller references metal, shaped in half moon crescents, --or really horns of a bull--- found in Meditrerannean floor that he believe was one of early forms of money.
Minoan culture{ 2000 BCE } ---see Altantis/Crete-- worshiped the bull and most likely loaded their ships with this valuable, shaped metal, and traded instead of trying to haul around and trade since so much less messier than cows, calves, goats etc that may die before getting to another shore.
East India Company was first mutli-national corporation
..."These Dutch companies amalgamated in March 1602 into the United East Indies Company (VOC), which introduced the first permanent joint stock from 1612 (meaning investment into shares did not need to be returned, but could be traded on a stock exchange)"......
Greenback, penny, nickel, dime, quarter etc are all money irrespective of their changing values for bartering/trading consumers living or killing goods.
If they have too little or no value, then another medium ---ex digita/crypto-- will take their place.
..."So it seems that it wasn’t money, necessarily, that was the root of all evil, but rather the development of necessary evils like hard labor, debt, slavery and lordship, prostitution and organized systems of governance that gave rise to money."...