Shocking COVID-19 statistic.

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yup, so a lot of people have non serious cases(2% of them are actually critical)

they get over it in 2 weeks

mortality rate = 3% in usa

EU on other hand-mortality rate=15-19% and a crashed economy

we won
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mortality rate = 3% in usa
lol the mortality rate is going down because the control of covid is so bad. Basically so many young people are being stupid and getting it that they are bringing the mortality rate down. But once the hospitals beds are gone, then the mortality rate spikes as there isn't enough ventilators to go around. 


EU on other hand-mortality rate=15-19% and a crashed economy

we won
Here is a link of deaths per 100,000 people. The US's rate is lower than 3 EU countries (the ones that ignored Covid and let it get out of control). The US is doing worse than the rest of the world. 

And what do you mean "won"? Corona virus is spiking across much of the US. Things are getting much worse, very fast in the US, while most of the rest of the world has a handle on things. The absolutely terrible response is guaranteeing that things aren't getting back to normal any time soon. The economic impact of this is going to go on and on and on because people can't do simple things like wear a mask and social distancing. 

Also, 130,000 people are dead from this. That is more than died in WW 1, more than double the number that died in vietnam. This is one of the worst tragedies in US history, but alot of people on the right still seem to think this is "just the flu". 
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According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic

This is one of the worst tragedies in US history
um, no, not really.

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the mortality rate going down is good-its not stupid


these statistics share a much different story, we have lower mortality rates(much lower) than france,uk,spain,,belgium,sweden,etc

and the only reason why teh mortaltiy rate is high for us is because of blue states-texas mortality rate is a lot less than new york or illinois
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According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic
so your point is that because people die from other things, we should allow a deadly disease to run rampant and do nothing to stop it? Even you can't think that makes sense. 

This is one of the worst tragedies in US history
um, no, not really.
130,000 people are dead. If you don't think that is a terrible tragedy, then what would it take? I mean 9/11 was nowhere near as deadly or as disruptive as coronavirus. I assume you think 9/11 was also unimportant?



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the mortality rate going down is good-its not stupid
you aren't getting it. The rate was high because it was spreading among high risk groups but being better contained among the population at large. The death rate is going down because more low risk people are getting it. But way more people are getting sick. That is not a good thing. 

these statistics share a much different story, we have lower mortality rates(much lower) than france,uk,spain,,belgium,sweden,etc
Europe got hit harder, earlier. Most of europe now has it under control while the US has cases spiking all across the country. 
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first, i dont trust the cases numbers, the tests are faulty and there are pletnyl of asympemic people who dont get tested

eruope got hit harder,period
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first, i dont trust the cases numbers, the tests are faulty and there are pletnyl of asympemic people who dont get tested
so you are openly saying that you are choosing what you want to believe completely irrespective of what the available information says? Why would I take you seriously when you admit you are basing your opinions on nothing

eruope got hit harder,period
they have higher population density and had less time prepare. The US has a population that is more spread out (slowing the spread) and had more time to get ready (which trump pretty much didn't do)
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people who are asympetic dont get tested yet have it, thats why the cases is flawed


europe had a lot of time to prepare too like the USA
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so your point is that because people die from other things, we should allow a deadly disease to run rampant and do nothing to stop it?
sure, why not, we let obesity, tobacco and other preventable things run rampant and they kill far more people every year.



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Covid19 statitic, Regeneron has created an anit-body shot, that, they are so confident in its validity, that, they have already started mass-production of their cocktail in anticipation it will be allowed to go on market.

This cocktail and two other companies working on same idea, will probably hit the streets long before any vaccine, that may or may not ever come to fruition.
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Completely off-topic, but who can tell me why ebuc's identification of his avatar, "66 Lines/Chords" is incorrect? There are actually two issues. Name them. One of them is blatantly obvious. Got to be specific.
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Line segments, not lines.
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..."Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (NASDAQ:REGN) is working on two efforts: an antibody cocktail and the repurposing of a rheumatoid arthritis drug that it commercializes with partner Sanofi (NASDAQ:SNY). As for Gilead Sciences (NASDAQ:GILD), the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently granted the company emergency use authorization for its coronavirus treatment."...
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Spot on, and a hell of a lot more than 66.
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It was obviously a joke, rather than advocacy for criminal activity. Further, with it satirizing the OP, the CoC outright stipulates: "criticising statements within an ongoing discussion, is fair game."
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Thank you for allowing satire. It's rare to find it these days.
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 Regeneron
I sure hope it's compatible with the flu vaccine.  The g4 h1n1 concerns me, been around since 2016 and we are just now hearing about it.

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I sure hope it's compatible with the flu vaccine.  The g4 h1n1 concerns me, been around since 2016 and we are just now hearing about it.
Unless that is tested for ahead of time, we find out in the process.

We do know combinations of fermentation, hops and distilled liquer will make a person sick. I found oout  the hard way. :--(

I ate chandrels for years, no problem, then I ate some old ones and got sick. When I read about it, as shrooms age, the proteins the produce can change. The next 3 times a ate chantrells I got sick and the last time I thought I might die.

So I avoid them like the plague now.






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sure, why not, we let obesity, tobacco and other preventable things run rampant and they kill far more people every year.
What kind of comparison is that? None of those are contagious. You won't get obesity by going to a rally with obese people there!
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"swamped by admissions and running low on icu beds"

certainly you would agree not every covid patient needs to be in an icu right?

last a heard the survival rate of those put on a ventilator is pretty darn low but they aren't giving the death numbers like they did in the beginning, don't you find that strange?
Considering the increasing numbers are new and hospitals are warning they are REACHING CAPACITY and not OVER capacity no i do not find it strange. It is not a heart attack, it doesnt kill in an hour. And it isnt even that deadly. Its death ability is a DoS attack on our system, overwhelming our capacity. None of this is suprising to anyone who understands what they are looking at. So again. No.



And omg i am tired of seeing this:

Its something else suddenly overwhelming our hospital system 
Ok, what is filling our icu beds then?

Youd hear about it in the news. A natural disaster. A bombing. A chain car crash.... all over the state??? In several states???? REALLY???!!!

or is there another pandemic spreading and your theory is that they are not giving us enough health guidelines and restrictions? even back in march when we had no tests, it was obvious the sudden surge in icu beds with respiratory symptoms during a respiratory pandemic WAS THAT SAME RESPIRATORY ILLNESS.

But it is June. We have tests. The reason it wasnt mentioned is the same reason they didnt specify the cases were homosapiens. Its obvious to anyone who cares to look. Why dont yall apply the same critical eye to your own zanny theories once in a while? Do some legitimate  research beyond your favorite sites.
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What kind of comparison is that? None of those are contagious. You won't get obesity by going to a rally with obese people there!
it shows a glaringly inconsistency with regards to "saving lives" it should be painfully obvious

Ok, what is filling our icu beds then?
a gentleman had covid before his return to the nursing home, the nursing home tested him, he still tested positive so they returned him to the icu for nothing more than keeping him isolated, he showed no signs of the illness, mind you this is also a level 1 trauma center, not some little rural hospital.  I wonder how common this is.

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it's no secret hospitals have been losing a lot of money during the scamdemic. Right now the major source of income is filling the COVID beds. They get a substantial subsidy from the government for doing so.
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I kind of forgot about the financial incentive, which also pads the death rate.  It's a shame we can't be give the best facts possible to make an informed choice.
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The increased testing was a godsend to hospitals needing a justification on paper to fill the beds and collect the subsidies. I think it's somewhere near 12,000 dollars per COVID bed? Plus insurance fees. There's also a subsidy per registered COVID death. I'm not sure exactly how much that one is either.
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Hospital administrators think about money. Doctors and nurses are mostly salary and have an oath to uphold patient wellbeing. Most arent saints, but your putting off some grim nonsense. How do you live in this world where everything is out to get you?

And if the capitalism incentive is so inherently evil, does that mean you are full on socialism?
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I'm just skeptical where money is involved.
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doctors get a bonus/extra pay based on their r.v.u.s, there is finical incentive for them to see more patients than they reasonably could, hence double booking appointments and 1 hour plus wait time AFTER your appointment time.
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I think I saw a Crowder video where he exposed the actual payments to the hospitals. Something about inflated claims of COVID deaths and how hospitals were rewarded for reclassifying cause of death. From and with COVID.