13 Reasons Why Mafia DP2

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Vote Count:

RM (4/7) - Supa, Croc, Simply, Bear

Croc (2/7) - Speed, RM

Bear (1/7) - Press

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UNVOTE

Look, I am with you. But the rest? Not so much. 
Why are you "with him"?

I don't know if you're third mafia or not
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see above
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You are probably town. 
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I am not Vtling because I am simply less than 50% sure. 
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VTL Rationalmadman
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I really voted to L RM, and I really voted to L RM. 

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Also, if Croc really was doctor why on Earth did he self-vote on day 1 even when he was 1 vote away from being hammered?

There is no way I townread that, I was just deadset on Ani being townsided and now WP has revealed that an anatagonist can be town (and I know for sure he's town as no way in hell scum will out that to clear me, also he claimed bleeding bleeder which means if he survives today we know he's fake). If an antagonist can be town like that, Ani can potentially be a scum character. It's also possible that Croc somehow shot in the dark with that character claim, hoping to be cc'd as he predicted ani would be a power role as a big risk big reward kind of gambit.
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UNVOTE

Look, I am with you.

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@Vader
Bleeder was hit, your roleblock on me has been proven to be non-nightkill-roleblock
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What do you think of 158?
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While I absolutely understand that User can be scum, I want to pay attention to User's early D1 (not late D1) and how he unvoted me. He is a strange player who plays very 'burst activity' but this is how he is.

If he was scum, would he seriousy say 'I am on your side' or whatever it was, to get me on his side? I would never tell my partner to do such a nonsensical thing if you think him and I are mafia together. 

If Crocodile is fake (which is increasingly likely now, including the fact that he rushed this lynch on me without even considering any alternative outcome despite me not hammering him Day 1) then it does follow that User can be his partner as User refused to join the bandwagon on Crocodile and also didn't join the Warren one (implying that he wasn't sure who to lynch, that his inactivity was genuine and that he was potentially told to 'hold back' with his vote and leave it on Speedrace).

So, I do understand that User can be scum, it's just based on others and how they've interacted, he seems to fall on the town side for me, especially after unvoting me.
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he unvoted me d2 I meant his early D1 as a separate thing.
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that his inactivity was genuine
Internet shortages. 

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RM could be scum, but I am still less than sure. Right now, he seems natural in my obervations, however RM being dead by the end of DP2 is very probable. 
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yep
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probable based on what? I have been roleblocked yet the bleeder was hit. I clearly claimed a main character and a power role, am cc'd on neither. Let's talk the probability here of me being lynched or scum. 

I invite someone to dare cc me though, I will like the challenge and I do mean that. At some point we have to expose the mafia and CC's must happen.
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  • Croc claims to DOC Press (this makes some sense since Press was the likliest town DP1)
    • User claims to verify Croc's DOC but won't confirm role
  • Supa claims to RB RM
    • RM claims WATCHER who was RB'd
      • Speed claims VISITOR to re-inforce liklihood of WATCHER/TRACKER s in game
  • Either of these dynamics might explain lack of night kill but as a slightly sus non PR, Press was NOT a likely target for scum.  The odds that RM tried to perform NK and was blocked are much higher than some unknown NK on Press was DOC'd
  • WaterPhoenix claims BLEEDER but this seems certainly false
    • epicmafia describes the bleeder role as
      • Bleeder:
        • Will not instantly die if shot.
        • After a day, the Bleeder will die.
        • If shot while dying, nothing happens.
      • HOWEVER, one of the rules of this game is:
      • Therefore either
        • Pie screwed the poodle or
        • WaterPhoenix failed to notice Pie's rule for this game and false claimed a role that is not a potential role for this game
          • Pie must correct the error if the error was his but he has said he won't comment otherwise.  No correction on this point means Water is our likliest scum candidate and is try the mama bird broken wing gambit to defuse the momentum on RM
  • I am willing to VTL Water, Ratman, or Warren (for no show) right now
  • Let's note that both Cookie and Warren jumped on DART during NP1 so both are confirmed lurkers

Oromagi             
TOWN
SupaDudz                              DRUNK           Zach Dempsey
PressF4Respect                   MILLER          Alex Standall
Crocodile                                DOCTOR          Ani Achola                
 Speedrace                              VISITOR   
User_2006
SimplyBeOurselves
BearMan
LittleCookie
RationalMadman                WATCHER X2    Tony Padilla
 WaterPhoenix                      BLEEDER (CC)   WInston Williams
AWOL
9. Warren
SCUM

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

RM (4/7) - Supa, Croc, Simply, Bear

Croc (1/7) - Speed

Bear (1/7) - Press



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It seems like RM is simply making stuff up. I accuse him of lying. 
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If WP doesn't die at the end of this DP, you know that he's fake anyway. Why would you need to lynch? Where's your claim? Why should we trust you?
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What did I make up?
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Alright, here is proof. I will reveal my identity in the next post, how about that? I had to full claim because at this point RM is really just making stuff up. 

RM is not Tony Padilla and I know it. 
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@User_2006
What do you mean you 'know it'? You unvoted me and are now CCing me???
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Alright, here is proof. I will reveal my identity in the next post, how about that? I had to full claim because at this point RM is really just making stuff up. 

RM is not Tony Padilla and I know it. 
what do you know?
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Here is the direct message. I don't think it is time to just reveal my role and job. 

User_2006 - You are Tony Padilla. Tony, Tony, Tony. You may get hot headed at times but you are there for your friend. You were the one who got rid of Tyler’s guns. But you still suspected him of harboring ill intentions and kept your eyes on him. Each night you may visit another player. You are the ⬛. You will ⬛.
People can obviously accuse me of identity theft, but it is up to the people to decide. 
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Unless you all can tell me that there are somehow 2 Tony's in the plot, RM remains guilty of the fabrication of information. 
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If WP doesn't die at the end of this DP, you know that he's fake anyway. Why would you need to lynch? Where's your claim? Why should we trust you?
Trusting me doesn't enter into it.  Pie gave us a specific list of roles that he could possibly be in the game and WP's claim is not on that list.  Maybe Pie made a mistake but it is far, far more likely that WP was looking for a ROLE to disrupt town's present narrative- which is that you tried to NK and Supadrunk punked you.
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@User_2006
Firstly you're breaking rules by pasting that fabricated PM, secondly you clearly have a very skilled partner who helped you write that. You unvoted me and told me you're with me. What the fuck?

Unvote Crocodile
VTL User_2006

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CC probably means COUNTERCLAIM. 

A counterclaim is, simply, a claim in response to another claim. More specifically, it is usually a situation where two or more players claim the same role, or if one player claims that another's claimed action is impossible. This is usually the worst-case scenario to the scum, who may have been trying to falseclaim. On the other hand, some scum will deliberately fakeclaim with the intent of getting counterclaimed by the real power role, thus saving the rest of the scum the trouble of finding that power role.
I can see the reason RM is trying to false claim. I might VTL RM especially if the people are already short. 


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  • Don't cut & paste from your PM.  that is a big no-no

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You guys can do whatever you want.