13 Reasons Why Mafia DP1

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Monty makes wayyyyy more sense as miller 😂 literally investigated as cops and literally came up as guilty when he wasn't. Alex was literally guilty but investigated by cops and came up innocent, which would make him godfather. So I'm slightly suspicious. What's your justification?
At his core, Alex is an innocent person, who was devastated by the actions that he did. He was kind and caring in his heart. Although on the outside he seems like a monster (he is on the tapes), on the inside he is just an innocent little soul who feels genuine guilt for his wrongdoing, which leads him to shoot himself on the head.

Also, he drowned Bryce in the ocean(which seems heinous on the outside) but was doing it in an attempt to protect his friends, and felt deep regret afterwards.

Dirty and monstrous on the outside, innocent on the inside. That is why I'm miller.
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(Unless Oro is cop and he had investigated Supa to be against his side)

That would be a rare cop indeed.

That would be a DAYCOP that can investigate DP1 and gets results immediately-  I've never seen such a role.
Also,  traditionally, COPs are the most likely role to be flavored (insane, paranoid).  Even if a COP did get a result in the first minutes of the game, that COP would be stupid to trust those results too much.



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don't delete  or edit posts, that is a violation of rules
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However I am not voting or claiming because there is no concrete evidence to be used on whatsoever. 
Also, what does you claiming have to do with Speedrace?

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Exactly. We haven't heard a claim from him yet, and like you said, how does that relate to Speedrace? 



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Good luck everybody who is on my team.
This is a very weird way of saying town, and it should be raising some red flags.

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I don't expect everyone to be claiming in DP1, but it is definitely strange to say you aren't claiming because of the lack of concrete evidence of someone else.
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might remove later ig


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Vote Count:

SupaDudz (1/7) - Oromagi

User (1/7) - Crocodile

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First rule of fight club:  speed is always scum
Second rule of fight club: speed always wins
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I think that miller is a genuine claim, even though it is simply helping mafia know a non-power-role (non-PR).

I read it as a suboptimal townplay as he's paranoid about being investigated. If I understand correctly, miller appears guilty to investigative roles.
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I also scumread speed offering press the character claim but that further makes me townread press. Why is town going to 'offer a character' and not have the person forced to claim it? Why try to out his character and not have mafia cc it?
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hoi guys, ill be way more active cause schools out
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I don't know how to read user or crocodile, everything they've done would be done also by noob town as much as noob mafia. I also don't know how 'delicate' we are. What I mean is that in games where the town lacks saving roles and has investigative roles instead, you're better off all hiding whereas in games where it's easy to assume a saving role is around, it's almost always optimal to spearhead outs and cc's.
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Given the theme, I will assume that 'appearing guilty' (miller claim contributes to this theory, not just the theme) and 'appearing innocent' are part of the game. I warn all to think twice before trusting investigative results.
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@RationalMadman
I don't think it's a sub-optimal town play. Claiming miller at the start is much more believable than if someone claimed miller after a cop said they were guilty, which would be the sus-est thing ever.
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at the same time as being sus, why would mafia not counterclaim the PR or miller? Also, why would they not say "I am miller and here are the breadcrumbs I left to hint it earlier"? This is all pointless speculation as it is so early on that it doesn't look planned or situational at all.
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I am sorry I edited. I will take penalty if there is one, I edited 'PR or miller' instead of just 'not cc'.
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I forgot the rule and realised instantly after.
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It’s a mistake, all good. If it happens again there will be conseequences tho. 
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what does user_2006 have to do with it
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He also did what you did. I just saw it while rereading the DP.
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My town reads (not at all conclusive):
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Lean town
RationalMadman (giving good reads and insights)
Crocodile (seems like he has good initiative, though also pushing for a full claim. In between lean town and null.)
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Null
waterphoenix (gave some good input, though not enough for a lean town read)
oromagi (has participated so far, but not enough substantive info yet for a lean town read)
Bearman (nothing substantive yet)
SupaDudz (hasn't posted yet)
warren42 (hasn't posted yet)
LittleCookie08 (hasn't posted yet)
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Lean scum
Speedrace (pushing for a full claim this early on. Other than that, it's just fluff.)
alwaysbeyourself (#16 seems sus. It needs investigating.)
User_2006 (Not claiming based on lack of evidence for Speedrace. This needs investigating.)

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*simplybeourselves

not alwaysbeyourself
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Why does Oromagi townread all those players in his 'read post' on the bottom of the first page?
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Also why is Supadudz so quiet? It's possible he changed over time, I remember him loud as town.
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Reads:
Crocodile


Lean Town
  • RationalMadman- (reads seem accurate)
  • PressF- (giving good info)
Centered
  • Water
  • Oro
  • Bear
  • Supa
  • Warren
  • LittleCookie
  • Simply- I don't really think that his #16 statement enables suspicion. It probably was just a mistake. He wouldn't do that so early if he were an experienced player.
Lean Scum
  • User- Well his relationship with Speed seems kinda funky
  • Speedrace- Well his relationship with User seems kinda funky.



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is he online?
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I'm not really sure. But I agree with Croc about User and Speed's relationship.
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*simplybeourselves

not alwaysbeyourself
whoops lol