which conservatives were right in the LGBT civil rights supreme court case?

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yes more freedom is better, our constitution (2a) for example would make something like that improbable, I'd say impossible but I try not to use extremes.  Even if the military tried to take over it wouldn't be 100% of the military.  So that and the armed populous not to mention some other country would try to move in, I don't see a scenario where it would happen.
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I was talking about the Weimar Republic, not Nazi Germany.

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yeah but the point stands right?  you seem to imply the lack of censorship allowed him to take control, however censorship allowed him to keep it, expand and everything else that came with the rise to power.
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The lack of censorship allowed Hitler to spread his message, which, in a time of economic crisis, boosted his popularity significantly. This allowed him to gain power, and subsequently oppress the very freedom of speech that the lack of censorship was supposed to protect. In this case, the lack of censorship ultimately did far more harm than good to the people of Germany, which is why Germany, to this day, censors out stuff like alt-right and antisemitic messages.
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yeah but the point stands right?  you seem to imply the lack of censorship allowed him to take control, however censorship allowed him to keep it, expand and everything else that came with the rise to power.

Exactly. The people supported censorship along with Hitler because the Weimar was so corrupt and inept, which had nothing to do with a lack of censorship. That's an insanely inane armchair arguement to say the Weimar should have been more totalitarian to avoid Hitler's rise to power.
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Like, if only the Weimar would have simply censored all hateful propaganda, then the German people wouldn't notice they were getting screwed royally with the war reparations and rampant inflation...

And then OF COURSE! Hitler wouldn't have come to power... what kind of retarded argument is that?
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How much does that affect you personally?
The fact that they will call it abuse if you don’t call them what they want to be called.

There are specific loans and grants for women small business owners. Should someone who clearly isn’t a woman get to take advantage of those?

And what about transgenders who are actually men thinking they are women? Can they join women’s sports? If you don’t take them, would that be discrimination?
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causation does not equal correlation
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While this may seem like a biased source, it does list references that prove the claims. 

Data shows that they're anywhere from 30-50 times more likely to molest children that those who don't carry homosexual desires. Taking this into consideration, it's completely legitimate and understandable why discrimination may happen in fields related to dealing with children. 

Really? Because it seems like American conservatism has been further right than it has been in the past 50 years. For example, many conservatives today are for disbanding the EPA, a federal agency that Nixon (a conservative) established.
The Environmental Protection Agency? Your conservatism involves abolishing a department for preventing environmental damage? What are you trying to conserve here?

The definition of "conservatism" and "further right" is in line with the conservatism that corporate and elite interests are directly supporting - conservatism as a means of conserving the power of large corporations and big money. That type of "conservatism" is the legitimate worst type of conservatism you can come up with. Conservativism should be about preserving traditional values in America. 

Conservative politicians, their allies, pundits, and supporters will staunchly come to the defense about enacting reforms preventing the rich from dodging taxes or whatever. But when it comes to social issues, yeah let the left completely be in control. Just be a moderate and support social liberalism from 20 years ago. 10 years ago they were contested to same-sex marriage but all of a sudden they accept it? The "conservative" Supreme Court completely ignores cases related to 2nd amendment violations but a case about queer pandering? Oh no that's what's important here... 
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First, "disorder" is not the same as "illness." Having a "disorder" does not make one "unhealthy," despite psychologists' attempts at equating their diagnoses with biochemical findings. A "disorder" is aberrant behavior with respect to one's demographic. "Illness" is a pathological condition. So while Gender Dysphoria, for example, may be a disorder, it is not an illness. One could critique Gender Dysphoria without attempts to insubstantially "pathologize" the behavior.

Second, "discrimination" is by no means "wrong." And to help understand the reason, let's use this hypothetical:

The government passes an anti-discrimination law which prohibits discrimination in any context.

A beautiful 25 year old woman goes to a bar, and gets hit on by several different suitors. One of those suitors happens to be a transgendered "man." The woman catches on and denies "him" the prospect of coitus by rejecting him. Should the woman be punished for violating the anti-discrimination law?

What if we applied the same reasoning using a different context? Suppose one was in the market for a new babysitter, and in the process of screening through numerous prospective babysitters, one comes across said transgendered man (his nightlife is no one's business.) The person rejects the transgendered man for his being transgendered. Should that person be punished? Does the state then compel one to hire the transgendered man even if its to watch over one's children?

Anti-discrimination laws at their core simply dictate that one cannot choose with whom he or she associates.