Tyranny at Lafayette Park

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HB is defending that the protest was peaceful even after a bottle was thrown at a cop😂
one person threw an open water bottle that landed nowhere near a cop. my god, we'd better start murdering people immediately....

does freedom mean so little to you that you will look for literally any excuse to crush people's constitutional rights?

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does freedom mean so little to you that you will look for literally any excuse to crush people's constitutional rights?
Throwing a bottle at a cop isn’t a constitutional right, nor is protected under the 1st Amendment 
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Throwing a bottle at a cop isn’t a constitutional right, nor is protected under the 1st Amendment 
one person out of thousand did something that didn't harm anyone. So we should violently suppress the peaceful people? How does that make any sense? That is the most flimsy pretext for a police state that I have ever heard.

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one person out of thousand did something that didn't harm anyone. So we should violently suppress the peaceful people? How does that make any sense? That is the most flimsy pretext for a police state that I have ever heard.
Yes. Notice how conservatives weren’t throwing things at cops a couple of weeks ago. But we also forget to mention that all of them were asked to back up a number of times and they didn’t. “Peaceful.”
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Yes. Notice how conservatives weren’t throwing things at cops a couple of weeks ago. But we also forget to mention that all of them were asked to back up a number of times and they didn’t. “Peaceful.”
wait, so you are redefining peaceful to mean that they have to obey orders that they are not required to follow? So anyone who ever protests and doesn't immediately surrender to the police is now "violent" to you? Again, you are describing a police state. 

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Resisting the police isn't peaceful, nor is it lawful.
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wait, so you are redefining peaceful to mean that they have to obey orders that they are not required to follow? So anyone who ever protests and doesn't immediately surrender to the police is now "violent" to you? Again, you are describing a police state. 
Cox v New Hampshire and Sections 1.5 and 1.6. I don’t create the laws and nor do I interpret them. But it sure as hell is the job of the President to execute to the laws. And yes the police can tell you to back up for safety reasons of the police officers. If you refuse to do that, you are subject to arrest. Regulation is not banning. I thought we were over this
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Resisting the police isn't peaceful, nor is it lawful.
No use arguable to these people about what’s lawful when they’re gonna break the law anyways.
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resisting the police isn't peaceful, nor is it lawful.
they had a lawful right to protest. doing so was peaceful and lawful. The police (and soldiers) attacked them and drove them back so that the president could do a photo op. that is the unlawful part of these events. 

The government ordering peaceful protesters to be shot and gassed so the president could take a photo with a bible is reprehensible. The right lost it's mind that obama was going to tread on your constitutional rights. He never did anything of the sort. You are now watching trump do it in real time and your response is "but a cop might have gotten wet, so shoot the bastards"
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No, my response is I don't give a fuck what Trump does with a camera, I want him to do his job and secure property and clear the streets of rioters. If protesters want to resist the police, I hope they get a pepper ball in the eye for their violent decision. Resisting the police is violence.
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ox v New Hampshire and Sections 1.5 and 1.6. 
that case was about parading without a permit. as far as I know no one needed a permit to protest in that park, so that case is not relevant. 

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No, my response is I don't give a fuck what Trump does with a camera, I want him to do his job and secure property and clear the streets of rioters. If protesters want to resist the police, I hope they get a pepper ball in the eye for their violent decision.
They weren't rioters. Why are you lying about them in order to justify an illegal attack on protesters?

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that case was about parading without a permit. as far as I know no one needed a permit to protest in that park, so that case is not relevant. 
A.) Precedents are broad in design
B.) Please read Sections 1.5 and 1.6
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Can we agree that throwing a bottle of water at a cop is a violent action? If not then I’m done with this conversation.
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that case was about parading without a permit. as far as I know no one needed a permit to protest in that park, so that case is not relevant. 
A.) Precedents are broad in design
B.) Please read Sections 1.5 and 1.6
the case was about whether or not they needed a permit. They did. They didn't need a permit to protest in that park. So how exactly are the cases related?

Can we agree that throwing a bottle of water at a cop is a violent action? If not then I’m done with this conversation.
ok, in the same sense that throwing a tiny piece of candy is technically a violent act. But that doesn't justify shooting someone. Police are supposed to engage in a proportional response. If someone throws a small object at a cop, the cop is not legally justified in drawing their gun. Similarly, if someone throws an open water bottle that lands no where near a cop, they are not justified in opening fire on an entire crowd of people. 
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ok, in the same sense that throwing a tiny piece of candy is technically a violent act.

Let me throw a full bottle of water at you with max force and see if you don't go postal.

A bottle of water is 3 times heavier than a baseball. Let's see you take one.
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A bottle of water is 3 times heavier than a baseball. Let's see you take one.
those cops are in full riot gear for that exact reason. A water bottle is not a threat to them. Additionally, that bottle landed no where near a cop. No one was injured, no one was in danger. There was absolutely no justification for attacking that protest. They did it so that trump could have a photo op. The government is ordering US soldiers to fire on unarmed protesters for the convenience of the president. If that had happened in North Korea, the US would be blasting them for their authoritarianism. But because it's trump, you applaud him for his tyranny. 

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What about the ones landing near Barr? Oh yeah...

If it was a peaceful protest, police wouldn't HAVE to wear riot gear. It was mob violence and was dealt as mob violence.

And riot gear doesn't protect against all impacts. Many baseball players had concussions THROUGH A HELMET from a 5 oz ball.

You are talking like you never experienced a violent moment in your life, and that's scary because you are pretending like you know what the fuck you are talking about.
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TBH I think there should be a way to deal with the bottle throwers and other trouble makers without necessitating clearing out all the other people who aren't causing trouble. Like, maybe a separate group of officers that patrols from the other side and arrests the trouble makers. They tell everyone exactly who they're arresting and why and have it on video so they can show people who are asking about it on the spot. Or maybe something else that avoids having to plow through everybody.
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I would have liked that too...like maybe have small squads patrolling and getting suspicious people...the problem is they can't just arrest someone for holding a frozen bottle of water. It's also insanely risky for the cops because mob mentality throws logic and reason out the window.
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I had imagined that the problem would mostly be at the line where the officers on the other side could back them up if shit hit the fan. I don't know that it had ever been tried before. Yes, you can't arrest someone for simply having a water bottle. I had contemplated that there would be video evidence and perhaps the culprits could be identified by their clothing and such and the description and location could be communicated over radio and the video files transmitted to the arresting officers, or something like that.
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the case was about whether or not they needed a permit. They did. They didn't need a permit to protest in that park. So how exactly are the cases related?
Clearly you haven’t read sections 1.5 and 1.6. Stop being ignorant and read.

ok, in the same sense that throwing a tiny piece of candy is technically a violent act. But that doesn't justify shooting someone. Police are supposed to engage in a proportional response. If someone throws a small object at a cop, the cop is not legally justified in drawing their gun. Similarly, if someone throws an open water bottle that lands no where near a cop, they are not justified in opening fire on an entire crowd of people.
The minute you throw anything at a police officer during a peaceful protest, it’s no longer a peaceful protest. It’s not hard to understand.
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I can imagine being that rookie cop told to go in a small 4 man squad to try to pick out the anarchists. It would be like finding out you were spearheading the Normandy Beach invasion.
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If it was a peaceful protest, police wouldn't HAVE to wear riot gear. It was mob violence and was dealt as mob violence.
it was a peaceful protest. But even peaceful protest can have the odd person angry enough to throw things within it. that is why they were wearing the gear. But since they were wearing the gear, they were in absolutely no danger from a water bottle. Especially since the water bottle landed nowhere near them. That does not give them free license to shoot unarmed, peaceful people. 

And riot gear doesn't protect against all impacts. Many baseball players had concussions THROUGH A HELMET from a 5 oz ball.
of course they do, because an average pitch is being thrown at 90 miles an hour. That is nothing like what happened here and is therefore completely irrelevant. 
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You are talking like you never experienced a violent moment in your life, and that's scary because you are pretending like you know what the fuck you are talking about.
He’s probably a highschool student that thinks he’s preaching social justice. I know a lot of em
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of course they do, because an average pitch is being thrown at 90 miles an hour. That is nothing like what happened here and is therefore completely irrelevant. 

I think everything you are saying about these water bottles is irrelevant. I have personally suffered a concussion from a 20 oz mug thrown at my head.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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the case was about whether or not they needed a permit. They did. They didn't need a permit to protest in that park. So how exactly are the cases related?
Clearly you haven’t read sections 1.5 and 1.6. Stop being ignorant and read.
you need to tell me what your point is. You can't expect people to go out and do your research for you. I have already pointed out that case is not relevant as it is unrelated. If you disagree tell me why. Don't expect me to do your research for you. 

The minute you throw anything at a police officer during a peaceful protest, it’s no longer a peaceful protest. It’s not hard to understand.
wow, freedom really means nothing to you does it? you will sit there and clap as the soldiers stomp on the constitution. as long as they can come up with the tiniest pretext of something that kinda, sorta, maybe was a threat (even though it couldn't possibly have hurt them) then you fully support crushing protesters. 
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I can imagine being that rookie cop told to go in a small 4 man squad to try to pick out the anarchists. It would be like finding out you were spearheading the Normandy Beach invasion.
There were people in London that brought down a statue of Winston Churchill during a BLM event
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He’s probably a highschool student that thinks he’s preaching social justice. I know a lot of em
Maybe.