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Justice for floyd by...looting the neighborhood and black zones
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Such a shame. White people are Nazis for protesting. These protestors are “peaceful”
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the virginia protest was peaceful
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In an effort to demonstrate how much they want to “reopen the economy” (or perhaps how badly they hate social distancing and other protective measures in place to ensure people aren’t out here catching the coronavirus), some white folks across the U.S. are protesting outside in the middle of a pandemic with signs like this—calling for either liberty...or COVID-19.
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remember the riots when the black guy killed the white 2 old people visiting their son's grave?

remember the riots over this?

a 40-year-old Australian-American woman, was fatally shot by Mohamed Noor, a Somali-American Minneapolis Police Department officer
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Those racist whites just can't have a protest without looting and burning stuff.
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Tony Timpa, another person held down and killed?  well he was white after all so no biggy

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One man's death is another man's flatscreen.
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Justice for floyd by...looting the neighborhood and black zones
Why do you think everyone in a large and diverse group is exactly the same? There will always be bad actors in every group imaginable. Those people have very, very good reasons to be angry. There have been many attempts to protest peacefully that are completely ignored or actively suppressed. When the problem doesn't get better and peaceful attempts to draw attention to the issue go nowhere, what other option are you leaving but violence?

Some of the people in those crowds are thugs looking to burn stuff or just steal stuff. Alot of them are otherwise law abiding citizens who realize that unless they use violence, no one will ever listen to their voices and their friends and families will continue to suffer or be outright murdered, as happened in this case. 

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There have been many attempts to protest peacefully that are completely ignored or actively suppressed. 
not true, the virgina gun rally racked up so much news coverage and was peaceful

the riots in 2016 happened and it seems that nothing changed?


what about MLK, rosa parks, etc

Alot of them are otherwise law abiding citizens who realize that unless they use violence, no one will ever listen to their voices and their friends and families will continue to suffer or be outright murdered, as happened in this case. 

mlk laughs at you,rosa parks laughs at you, violence destabilize a movement

so many good people have gotten their message across without violence

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not true, the virgina gun rally racked up so much news coverage and was peaceful
true, but they were protesting something that doesn't exist. No one is taking their guns. A man actually was murdered by the police. and it happens fairly regularly and most people (especially on the right) completely ignore it. 

the riots in 2016 happened and it seems that nothing changed?
true. it brought attention to the issue. but the urge to ignore it and paper over the issue is extremely strong in the halls of power. They don't want to address the regular abuses of police. They need to understand that unrest isn't going to stop until it is addressed. 

what about MLK, rosa parks, etc
important steps on a long road. But the history backs up the idea that until it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that the issue needs to be addressed, the rights of black people is pretty well always overlooked. 

mlk laughs at you,rosa parks laughs at you, violence destabilize a movement
because peaceful attempts have been so successful? colin kaepernick is an excellent example of a completely peaceful protest. the right vilified him and basically ran him out of his career. They would rather black people be murdered by the police than allow a man to kneel. 

so many good people have gotten their message across without violence
in some cases, this is true. But unless the people in power decide it is necessary to actually address the issue, they will do nothing. There is decades of history backing that up. It is only when they have no choice that they will act. Burning police precincts are a pretty clear sign they need to act. 
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1.they were absolutely going to take their guns, it failed in the vrigina senate

2.the issue was never resolved though and it lead to more crime and more racial unrest. The gov wants races divided

3.Blakcs have all the rights in America, this is a ethical police issue, nothing to do with race as all variales considered(crime,per capita)whites are more affected

4.MLK respected america and brought justice for all, CRAPernick keeled for the anthem that respects veterans and stands for freedom.Bad analogy

5.the people in power want this, they need a divided population for their goals, dont feed into it, the people in power want riots, they WANT  a divided america and not a united one where we stand for justice against bad cops and stand for unity

why do you think they got rid of MLK? 
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1.they were absolutely going to take their guns, it failed in the vrigina senate
lol no


2.the issue was never resolved though and it lead to more crime and more racial unrest. The gov wants races divided
ok, all the more reason why the people have to force the government to take action. You acknowledge the government wants the police to abuse black people, but then condemn black people for trying to do something about it?

3.Blakcs have all the rights in America, this is a ethical police issue, nothing to do with race as all variales considered(crime,per capita)whites are more affected
on paper, sure. In practice, hell no. If the police systematically treat people of different races differently, then those races do not have the same rights. 

4.MLK respected america and brought justice for all, CRAPernick keeled for the anthem that respects veterans and stands for freedom.Bad analogy
Kapernick tried to bring attention to the police murdering people and abusing people. Kneeling is the absolute, bare minimum people could do to try to draw attention to the issue. If even that is too much for you, then there is nothing they can do short of violence. 

5.the people in power want this, they need a divided population for their goals, dont feed into it, the people in power want riots, they WANT  a divided america and not a united one where we stand for justice against bad cops and stand for unity
Exactly, which is why we all need to support the goals of the people protesting. We need to demand that real action be taken, which is exactly what the protesters are doing. By condemning people fighting for their rights, all you are doing is making sure people stay divided. 
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1.lol yes

2.the government wants riots not police brutality, they arrested someone who defended their livelihood from rioters 

3.all things consider which means violent confrontations with police per capita by race-whites are more affected

4.are you joking? everybody was tolaking about it and protests were happening but kapernick DISRESPECTING our flag and our veterans when they did nothing wrong is terrible, he is kneeling right in front of veterans who are bearing the flag, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICE BRUTALITY

5.The goals of the protesters from what I can tell, is anti white and anti-cops in general, riots are EXACTLY what the gov wants so congrats, your fueling J.P morgans next bog check!
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Twitter would ban Trump if he said “there is nothing they can do short of violence,” he’d be blocked
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2.the government wants riots not police brutality, they arrested someone who defended their livelihood from rioters 
why would the government want riots? that doesn't even make sense. The police are the enforcement arm of their power. They don't want to do anything that could undermine that power. So they don't care what the police do, they don't care about black people or their rights. 

3.all things consider which means violent confrontations with police per capita by race-whites are more affected
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. 

4.are you joking? everybody was tolaking about it and protests were happening but kapernick DISRESPECTING our flag and our veterans when they did nothing wrong is terrible, he is kneeling right in front of veterans who are bearing the flag, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLICE BRUTALITY
he knelt down. He didn't spit in their face. He didn't say anything negative about them. He knelt to draw attention to police brutality. The right loves to accuse dems of crying, but kapernick is a perfect example of the right crying their little eyes out because someone chose to exercise their rights. 

5.The goals of the protesters from what I can tell, is anti white and anti-cops in general, riots are EXACTLY what the gov wants so congrats, your fueling J.P morgans next bog check!
lol so the goals of people you have never spoken to and know nothing about, must be that they are evil people and therefore are bad. you aren't even pretending like you think they are human beings with their own motives and rights. 
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2.To keep a divided populous, ever heard of a term "divide and conquer"

3.blacks are more likely to get in violent confrontations with the police than whites thus are shot at a rate higher than whites but whites are less times to get in a violent confrontation and are still shot more proportionally

4.exercise all the rights you want,we have the absolute right to criticize it and call it complete and utter bullshit, which it is, oh and the dems do cry


5.humans beings have motives that benefit themselves
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2.To keep a divided populous, ever heard of a term "divide and conquer"
Yes. but that doesn't mean they want riots. Riots represent the loss of governmental control. Riots mean the government cannot control it's citizens. They love playing partisan games to play people off each other, but that doesn't mean they want cities burning. 


3.blacks are more likely to get in violent confrontations with the police than whites thus are shot at a rate higher than whites but whites are less times to get in a violent confrontation and are still shot more proportionally
but blacks are much more likely to be met with a violent or confrontational attitude from police than white people. So those stats are fucked. It's easy to say black people get in more violent confrentations, because police are much more likely to provoke black people or just lie and say they were violent when they weren't. As is the case in point. The police reported he was resisting arrest, that was a lie. If he hadn't died he would just have been another stat of a "violent black man". Since he did die, everyone knows he is a murder victim. 

4.exercise all the rights you want,we have the absolute right to criticize it and call it complete and utter bullshit, which it is, oh and the dems do cry
lol you can't handle a black man kneeling. He didn't say anything, he didn't even do anything rude or offensive. He simply knelt down. the easiest possible thing in the world to ignore. but instead the right cried and cried and cried about it. 

5.humans beings have motives that benefit themselves
true. like not being murdered by police. The protesters are trying to benefit themselves and their families by actually getting that right. 
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2.they do want riots, it gets the people rowled up


so many more whites are shot by cops

4.he absolutely said some things offensive, he praised fidel castro, told blacks to be at up cops and much more

5.im talking about the people at the top, a divided nation helps them with their goals
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2.they do want riots, it gets the people rowled up
that doesnt make sense. 


How many are chocked to death on the ground after "resisting arrest"?

4.he absolutely said some things offensive, he praised fidel castro, told blacks to be at up cops and much more
and that has something to do with kneeling because? Face it, a black man chose to kneel and the right lost their shit and couldn't stop crying. They need their safe space where black men do as their told. 

5.im talking about the people at the top, a divided nation helps them with their goals
and riots hurt their authority and their pocket books. Riots and bad for business. they do not want them. They do want police to keep the poor in their place, so they have no issue with them murdering black people. 


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There will always be bad actors in every group imaginable...

Except when CNN is discussing white cops.
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 Face it, a black man chose to kneel and the right lost their shit and couldn't stop crying. 

No, we didn't. We started voting Pro American politicians into office to counter that toxic culture.
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You ever watch Cops? That shit is eye opening into what cops do and how they act. I’ve seen my fair share of white people slammed to the ground and knees on necks. Obviously not for 8 minutes and after handcuffs + backup obviously 

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That shit is eye opening into what cops do and how they act *When they know they are being filmed and have a camera crew following them everywhere* 
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Guy who put the knee on the neck is in deep shit no matter what, the other three should just keep their heads down for around 3 years and alter their appearance and stuff.

You can say 'bystanders' but it is Covid-19 era and I guarantee you that the other cops were extremely afraid to not socially distance from the other cop and the criminal in order to avoid a potentially lethal disease. I am not excusing what happened as 'okay', instead I am trying to explain that the villain is the one who put the knee and people like him need to be exposed.

These riots are going to help Coronavirus spread so rapidly in US vs before, I pity those in Minnesota doing the right thing and staying home being safe or being healthcare workers and shopkeepers among the riots, I am so sorry for them. 

You do not defeat barbaric cops by being barbaric populace, this fuels exactly what they want in order to fight back. You must be smart and patient, play this legally and get the murderer put behind bars.
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2.that makes sense, it is simple divide and conquer tactics

3.many of them in fact

4.they lost their shit rightfully, it was a disgusting act by crapernick and lead to a movement where players knelled on 9/11 in front of veterans who risked their life for us, this was never about race, this is a liberal myth created  and nurtured by the the gov to fuel a race war

5.not true, they couldnt care about businesses being looted as long as its not theirs, the protestors turned to riots and are destroying livelihoods
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You do not defeat barbaric cops by being barbaric populace, this fuels exactly what they want in order to fight back. You must be smart and patient, play this legally and get the murderer put behind bars
exactly my point. the riots help the police and gov

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You do not defeat barbaric cops by being barbaric populace, this fuels exactly what they want in order to fight back.
that is a very astute observation I had not thought of but sure does make sense.  the police will now be "justified" in using force against the rioters and probably for a while after it calms down because they will be "scared" from the tensions/riots.  totally see that happeneing.

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