Themeless Mafia 1 - Day 3 & ENDGAME

warren42 (Replaced Airmax1227)

Danielle

coal

sui_generis

oromagi

Objectivity - Vanilla Townie - Modkilled Day 1

Ragnar - Town Cop - Killed Night 1

Speedrace (Replaced Zaradi) - Vanilla Townie - Lynched Day 2

Lunatic - Vanilla Townie - Killed Night 2

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I'll post my explanation as to why when I can.  Busy rn

Just FYI, I am always going to read gambits like that anti-town and vtl. It wasn't an informed gambit. So risky. So stupid.

They have a time and place, but denying it was ever softing a PR was what did it for me.

I'm gonna ride or die with Dani at this point. Oro and Sui I don't really have reads on. I like coal at this point but still have to read Lunatic's case. Not sure if him dying implicates coal or was for WIFOM purposes (but I guess that's the whole point of it)

I didn't even read TUF's case.  Sui or Oro are the only remaining scum and, frankly, it looks to me like he is the only one who has been sheeping on all the mislynches that any one of I, Danielle, or TUF led.  Oro's made a post in the last day phase or the day before that his mother is in hospice which is why I think he's less likely to be the remaining scum.  He's been almost totally inactive the game, but he seems to have had a good reason for it.  

I initially town-read Max and therefore you get the benefit of that read.  You might be scum, but as far as I'm concerned it's most likely by POE that it's Sui.  

If Danielle was scum she would have jumped off of Ragnar's lynch.  She didn't, so she can't be scum.  So she must be town.  

For me, though, this has been instructive as to how TUF plays his town meta.  He does objectively and subjectively scum-prone things as a townie, and he has played like he was scum for most of this game.   He has deliberately misrepresented information relevant to the last DPs, he has continually gone out of his way to grasp at straws to form "cases" on players whose behaviors were decidedly pro-town, and he has consistently failed to recognize pro-town behavior among town players on whose lynch his vote was placed.  

Then, only when players who engage in objectively and subjectively anti-town behavior, like Ragnar, does he abscond from the wagon in the most self-evidently scum way I have ever seen.  And all the while, he was town.  That is insane.

I wasn't wrong about why Ragnar should have been lynched and Danielle wasn't either.  If Danielle was scum, she should have done exactly what TUF did when Ragnar "claimed" whatever he was claiming.

And moreover,  while Danielle acknowledged the potentially town reasons why Zaradi did what he did, the sort of gambit like he tried to pull is as anti-town as it could have been.  Zaradi bread crumbing mason when Ragnar flips town cop looks inherently scummy, from an objective valence -- even though I was (and it turns out I was right) pretty sure that Zaradi was just trying to draw the night kill, which is consistent with his desire no longer to be in the game, as is evidenced by the fact that he replaced out. 

So while that may have gotten me to question my read on Danielle, the fact that she didn't back down from Ragnar's lynch proves that she has to be town.  That was the first time I suspected Sui was scum, and then the NK on TUF thereafter suggests to me that it has to be Sui. 

They have a time and place, but he:

- played dumb (multiple times) and pretended he didn't claim anything

- did not know if Ragnar was town (it was early dp 1) but took the risk anyway

- did not know (but it was likely) if another PR would out themselves to call him a liar

- did not defend this action after playing dumb and replaced out

- did not get targeted during the night

Lynching Zaradi is the only thing that made sense yesterday.

You're gonna be at WIFOM tomorrow and have to decide if coal is bussing Sui or not. Of course Sui has barely posted so good luck with that. 

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I disagree that Dani would have been so nervous as scum that she'd have been compelled to jump off an informed mislynch. you think she's that gunshy? 

I wouldn't be in her place, and Dani is calmer than me 

I'm not scum tho. I'd favor lynching Dani tbh but idk if I'm gonna be able to build a case 

If coal goes for Warren I'd reread and be down for that too 

I'll re-skim and see if I can't find where I got scummy vibes from Danielle early on

I didn't finish reading last dp because I realized it was over and I couldn't reply 

I think I’ve been blinded by Dani’s reasoning

VTL DANIELLE

Dani has been lynched. She was a VT. The mafia team of Coal / Oro wins.

YYW, you are the neediest player I have ever modded for.

All I need is the endgame....

How did none of you suspect coal lol

Dawg you are so lazy. Never play forum mafia again if you don't plan to put in a shred of fvcking effort.

I am policy lynching Oro from now on when he fucking flakes on a game. He legit posts just enough to not get replaced, and never contributes. I am surprised mods even let him play when he does that sh1t lol

It should have been obvious that Coal was scum when I got night killed; He's literally the only one who would gain from my death. If anyone else was scum I was better as a mislynch target in the endgame. The other give away was that it was LYLO and coal instantly voted for sui, so with two mafia left, there was guaranteed scum in sui or coal else mafia could quick hammer. 

Sui it blows my mind you voted for danielle. 

Back off of Oro.  He just put his mother in hospice and his play was fine.

I was the most pro-town player in the game, and no one read your "case".

I night killed you because you broke the rules by posting game relevant content outside of the game in a Google Doc and Lucky wouldn't do it.  

I suppose Lucky made the right decision, because the win is better this way.

Frankly, you would have lost as soon as Danielle voted for Sui, because the result would have been the same.  I gave serious thought to keeping you in the game because literally no one was buying your "case" againt me.

lol 

In fact I want to re-share with you this:

The so called "case" against me.

No one was even going to read this, much less be persuaded by it.  

I was going to use it to mislynch TUF DP3, but then I decided I could better claim that I was being set up for a mislynch by scum so decided that the DP would end more quickly without the noise caused by allowing TUF to still be alive.

In the alternative world, Sui votes for TUF (because he was sheeping me the game, which, frankly, was the objectively correct thing to do in every single instance) and then I and Oro would have hammered TUF.  

There is no world where TUF remaining alive wins town the game.  

People really should read TUF's post, though.  I think in seven pages he got maybe two, incidental facts right.  The rest was nonsense. 

I'll go reread coal's posts in light of this but I didn't think max+oro were the scum team, and I wasn't willing to scum read coal based on what I'd seen, and so figured it'd be dani+someone and Town-coal wouldn't pick the wrong target for optimal success, so.