Themeless Mafia 1 - Day Phase 1

I want your thoughts on 273 as well, but I could only tag 5 people at once because...*shrug*

Ok, that is helpful.  Read what I wrote in 448.  There is no way in my view you had read enough of the DP to know what was going on when you wrote 443 and the fact that you posted clearly from a position of having not read the DP suggests an UNinformed perspective.  As scum you should have continued to lurk and made a more calculated response rather than post the response you did.  So yes I am not even considering VTLing you at the moment.  If you're scum then you're going to be more methodical and not take the risk of speaking without knowing what you're wading into, but if you're town you have less to hide.  You also didn't beat around the bush.  So I can see where you are coming from as town more easily than I can see you writing 443 as scum.  I am not town reading you, but I'm not scum reading you at this point either. 

Read the DP and update your thoughts.  I would like a list of reads and a statement of why you think those are your reads.  Indicate your thoughts on the Ragnar lynch.  

man, I don't know... I mean if I had a solid #1 scum read on DP1 and I knew there wasn't going to be any chance to lynch them or get further pressure on them, then I'd probably be fine going in a different direction... For better or worse, and it's probably the latter, I'm inclined to almost give everyone the benefit of the doubt DP1 and just assume any statement is an attempt at just finding something to point a finger somewhere and trying to get a result out of it...

The amount of discussion about inactivity proves that.

 I mean at some points in this DP the main scum reads seem to be myself and Dani, and if I'm not mistaken the two of us happen to be the oldest and perhaps busiest individuals here.

Airmax's last post is very defensive, though he also goes on the attack to some degree with veiled threats that, I think, once he reads the DP he will likely re-evaluate.  In his post he makes some allusion to having sort of read the DP but this post suggests that he in fact has no idea what is happening, and likewise does not realize what has happened up to this point.  That is consistent with his claims of working all day, and reaffirms my judgment that he was not the ideal candidate for a lynch today.  He is also active now to at least post a multiparagraph response to a fairly aggressive activity prompt, and willing to take the risk of sticking his neck out even though he has not read the DP.   That suggests an uninformed perspective.  He has no idea, it seems, that I did not pursue his lynch.  That is, unless it turns out that he tells me he had read the DP in totality before posting 443 in which case I will need to consider further.  In any case this confirms my thinking that Airmax was not the best lynch, as is evidenced by the fact that I did not pursue Max's lynch despite expressing a willingness to do so. 

I'm a firm believer in there being two types of scum. There are mafia who are forced to be scum, and townsmen who choose to be scum.

Getting rid of the first is how the game is won,  but removing the second isn't so bad.

Of course I did not know you were at work. Sorry about that, i did not mean to be an ass.

I'll keep your schedule in mind the remaining days.

You make some very well articulated arguments re Luna's behavior... I'm going to have to go back and read through his posts while I read through the whole DP and keep your pointin mind. My only reservation is that I find DP1 difficult to take some of what people say too seriously sometimes because it is often to force themselves or others into activity or to illicit a response... But I do find what you have said here compelling and it's worth consideration. I'll get back to you on this further later

I too am getting "un-informed" vibes, considering he still think him and Dani are the most scum read people in the game. I figure his scum buddy might have at least told him that wasn't the case. 

Please lord, do not take his case at face value without reading the context. First of all much of that is built on his lack of understanding. A big part of it suggests that I was "afraid" of pressure because I asked Danielle what her intentions for pressuring was, given she listed a bloc of four people. She later admitted she was looking for character claims and didn't realize that this was a themeless game. Zaradi should know this, but still based a case around mis-representing my "What are you pressuring for" as me being overly defensive, or scared of pressure lol. 

Is this a long winded way of saying you think DP1 is kinda pointless?

I wouldn't focus on that too much. First of all this game is very active considering we are only halfway through DP1, and two there hasn't really been all that much talk about inactivity. I've seen way worse.

Quite honestly I didn't get that vibe at all. Dani is pretty well town read, but wasn't here the first day so I can see why she was suspected a little bit. Also if I didn't personally know your situation with activity so well I would probably be a bit more worried about your activity. That is to say, I think your OMGUS on Coal is a bit un-justified. Weird to hear me type this, but I actually think Coal has had some pretty good analysis this game, and his playstyle seems to be a lot different than I remember. He seems to be prioritizing scum hunting to endless pages of argumentation that goes nowhere. I think your scum read on him is wrong, and I think you should re-consider a bit. That said, are you caught up? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on stuff when you have had a chance to sit down and read the day phase.

Meh, now that I've read the OP I'm not all that thrilled about this game. A game with mostly vanilla townies is lame to me. It doesn't give the town much to go on. I know people think they can read behavior to an extent and perhaps these set ups have become the norm, but I prefer games with more roles so you can catch people lying in role claims, or lying about the action they took during the night. I guess we'll see what happens.

Airmax's post felt forced, though not necessarily scummy.

Thoughts on possibly no lynching today just to avoid a (very likely) mislynch? 

It seems that DebateArt allows you to edit your own posts. Use of this feature will result in an immediate modkill.

You mean beyond the fact that the few posts he's made are totally inconsistent with his town meta? 

Scum team is Coal and Lunatic

Does anyone think Airmax has a scum tell? (You don't have to say what it is - just if you think he has one.) 

I think I probably do, at least I knew a couple bad habits I had in those early days when I was scum... now I probably don't..

Fair or not, Objectvity is dead so now we have to figure out what to do. I believe he said we can mislynch 3x before mafia wins. His death is effectively us mislyching (down 1 townie) so if we mislynch today, then 1 more mislynch tomorrow might mean we lose -- correct?

In that case, do people still want to vote Ragnar or vtl today? I would say yes. We can probably learn more from that wagon than without.