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@Danielle
(imba = imbalanced)
Bloodline Day Phase 2
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@Danielle
70% I was framed. 30% Hammer is scum
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@Danielle
you think the game started with 2/9
7 v 2 in essence. A framer + janitor is I'm balanced AF in just a 9 player game.
^^*I'm balanced not I'm balanced lol
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@drafterman
If it was a JoaT role it'd be just one character fmpov so a frame and janitor same night would otherwise not be possible assuming 1x frame and 1x janitor
Just one character that has the active abilities. Presence of a mafia joat in a 9 player game(7 v 2) would most likely be paired with a GF or nothing at all fmpov.
Nothing at all as in a goon, ergo, no active or even passive role.
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@Buddamoose
If one maf had a 1x frame and another had a 1x janitor, would that be imbalanced?
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@drafterman
It would arguably be even more imbalanced.If one maf had a 1x frame and another had a 1x janitor, would that be imbalanced?
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@Danielle
Does your PM mention characters and provide backstory?
Yep.
Take note that Hammers does not
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@Buddamoose
Agree. I also think it's weird that drafter thinks it's likely he was 70% framed and only 30% Hammer is scum. That way, if we DID lynch Hammer and he's found inno, drafter could fall back on the framing defense.Just one character that has the active abilities. Presence of a mafia joat in a 9 player game(7 v 2) would most likely be paired with a GF or nothing at all fmpov.
At this point I'm comfortable lynching drafterman so long as everyone agrees to lynch Hammer tomorrow if drafter flips inno. Despite the fact that a Framer makes sense with the theme, I just can't see it from a mechanics standpoint (coupled with a Janitor).
Let's let Vaarka and GP post before hammering.
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@Danielle
My first guess was Marco Diaz.
These were my thoughts too. If I recall correctly from one of the sources used, Marco is in charge of investigating Danny"s death, no?
That would presumably be why Kevin approached him. Out of an attempt to convince Marco to shove the investigation under the rug cause Marco also so happens to be close-ish with John?
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@Buddamoose
Take note that Hammers does not
I prolly missed this while skimming - are you sure he knew what you meant by "back story?" Mine is just a short paragraph explaining the link to my role. Did Hammer say he had no explanation at all? (If he's guilty, why would he lie about that?).
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@drafterman
If one maf had a 1x frame and another had a 1x janitor, would that be imbalanced?It would arguably be even more imbalanced.
^^this
I don't understand how a 1x framer + 1x janitor is more balanced than simply a framer + janitor.
Edit: my comment "it would arguably be even more imbalanced" was in reference to (or I thought I read) questioning a mafia JOAT with a janitor. We KNOW there's a janitor (which is a powerful role because it essentially provides a FULL fake claim). It's most likely this is coupled with a Vanilla goon or a Godfather.
Since Hammer is so confident that there is not a framer and janitor, he should agree to be lynched tomorrow if drafter flips inno. I don't see how there's a better course of action today than lynching drafter. Does anyone?
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@drafterman
This is kind of a sus post. Janitor is almost always 1-shot, and in a game this small, 1x framer would be most likely as well. Kinda grasping at straws, don'tcha think? I feel like you should outline a course of action that explains what we should do today (and maybe list your reads). You'll prolly still be lynched, but feel free to defend yourself and leave something useful behind if in fact you are inno.I don't understand how a 1x framer + 1x janitor is more balanced than simply a framer + janitor.
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@Danielle
Edit: my comment "it would arguably be even more imbalanced" was in reference to (or I thought I read) questioning a mafia JOAT with a janitor.
My question remains. How is that less balanced than 1x framer with a janitor? My goal here was to reduce it to the bare minimum that needs to exist. We know there is at least a 1x janitor and I highly suspect that I've been framed, meaning there is at least a 1x framer. To me, that is the bare minimum. So forget about redirectors and god fathers and such and just distill it down to the bare minimum. That is what I was doing, and yet I'm told that makes the game more balanced. That doesn't make sense to me.
I feel like you should outline a course of action that explains what we should do today (and maybe list your reads).
Scum
RM
Vaarka/Supa
Null/On-The-Fence
GP
Hammer
Town
Danielle
Budda
Today: Lynch RM
more imbalanced*
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@Danielle
I am still susp of drafter from his vote on day 1 on RM with little justification. He just voted him up and said he was travelling. Never hot a response. Same with Supa.
Danielle, don't you think this is a good day for mass character claims? RM seems to have an idea about how the names fit.
I meant to say never GOT a response lol... I am leaving my vote on drafter.
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@Greyparrot
It was RVS and RM was the target. Once he was at L-1 I took my vote off. And I even defended him as town.
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@drafterman
Okaaay...why do you think hammer suspiciously claim early vanilla only to claim cop today? Earth was pretty quiet most of day 1, do you think Earth was cop and Hammer is taking advantage of this?
I have my own ideas, I just want to hear yours.
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@Greyparrot
He didn't; Supa claimed Vanilla early.
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@drafterman
Yes that's right, I misread a post where hammer was quoting supa.
I just think it's interesting that two people have conveniently made mistakes about the previous DP and used those mistakes to FOS/Vote me.
I made no mistake, I vote you for truth.
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@Danielle
Did Hammer say he had no explanation at all? (If he's guilty, why would he lie about that?).
Yes and consider that I had questioned into all but admitting that previous to him fully coming out with that.
Why would he? Consider that in his response to me this DP, that highlights he isn't paying attention to the game. Notice how he said my PM analysis implicates Drafter? But how, when Drafter had only character claimed and my analysis was regarding the presence of characters and backstory in all outted PM's at that point.
Also note, Hammer is still the only one claiming his PM does not mention other characters nor has backstory elements. Everyone but Vaarka and GP from what I've seen has corroborated their PM's have the aforementioned, and thats because they haven't responded to whether or not they do yet.
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@Greyparrot
Does your PM mention other characters and contain backstory elements?
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@drafterman
And I think it's interesting how fast RM was voted up and Supa had shaky reasons for putting the 4th vote on RM. RM has been playing pretty townlike for most of the game. He knows the show and the characters well. Buddha has been playing townlike for most of the game. That leaves you and supa as susp.