Bernie is done. 2020 Election is officially over.

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no, no he does not. Until right before he decided to run for president he was still espousing republican policies. He pretends he believes in democratic values now because he knows he has to in order to have a chance, but in his heart he is still an authoritarian republican. 


Bloomberg as mayor: raised taxes, increased funding for affordable housing, didn't touch pensions, and supported strong gun control. Hardly a Republican.

i'm actually not all that concerned about the DNC letting him on stage. He had bought 15% support already. He was basically just getting to spin his own story without being challenged. Letting him on the debate stage opened him up to actually being questioned on his record, and he got obliterated. 

Yeah he got obliterated, but they changed the rule about having a certain number of different donors, which would show he has real support from real people.

some of them do that. But many of those charities wouldn't even need to exist if proper taxation existed. we wouldn't need to wait for a billionaire to decide he wants some good publicity in order to provide services to people. If we had proper taxation in place we could consistently provide those services. 

I am not sure what good that would do considering the war on poverty has failed to reduce the poverty rate. Pretty much because it raised out of wedlock birthrates by replacing men as providers and it decreased savings rates. https://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2014/03/19/the-war-on-poverty-wasnt-a-failure-it-was-a-catastrophe/#5e3b955d6f49

he has no chance of winning the most delegates, but that isn't the point. The point is to bribe enough people so that he will be crowned during a contested convention. Here is a story about it. Basically the plan is to use corruption to steal the nomination. 
Well you should do super delegates like the GOP. Each state gets three and they are forced to vote for whoever their state voted for. Then you can't have people ignoring caucuses to bank on party elites choosing you.

how? Are you going to pass laws about what they can buy? They can no longer buy newspapers, facebook ads etc. Will you prevent them from donating to causes to try to buy influence and endorsements? No matter how many laws you pass to restrict what they can do with their money, they will find a new way to use it to buy influence and power. The money itself is a threat. 

Just briefly, how do billionaires get so much money? They invest. If you promise to take large chunks of their money if they keep earning it, they will stop investing, which would be dreadful for the economy. And anyway, they could just easily move their money overseas. The tricky thing about taxing rich people is that they have the means to get around them. But if you want a wealth tax, you have to consider that not every bit of wealth people own is liquid. Some of them, like houses or investments, can be tied up or difficult to sell off to pay said taxes, which makes the whole concept murky.

With the decline of traditional media outlets, I'm not too sure that this is a real concern anymore. Heck, with only 41% of Americans trusting it, it would probably be worse for them to buy it and spout pro-billionaire rhetoric. https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

I would rather make multiple laws about how they can spend money rather than take it from people offering much-needed investments in our economy. Our savings rates are terrible, so someone has to offer capital for company projects.

You do have some good points, though, and I think there is some merit to the idea that billionaires have a large ability to influence politics as things currently stand. 
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Bloomberg as mayor: raised taxes, increased funding for affordable housing, didn't touch pensions, and supported strong gun control. Hardly a Republican.
he pushed stop and frisk, that kind of tough on crime bullshit is as republican as it comes. He was constantly attacking unions. He pushed for the privatization of education. He attacked the ACA. He was in favor of curtailing people's rights for the sake of "security". 

He is a republican. 


Yeah he got obliterated, but they changed the rule about having a certain number of different donors, which would show he has real support from real people.
True, I'm sure they did it to try to benefit Bloomberg. But the effect was the exact opposite. He was much better off when no one had the opportunity to actually question him about his horrible record. 

I am not sure what good that would do considering the war on poverty has failed to reduce the poverty rate. Pretty much because it raised out of wedlock birthrates by replacing men as providers and it decreased savings rates.
the war on poverty couldn't ever succeed as long as the underlying economic system is corrupted and controlled by oligarchs

Well you should do super delegates like the GOP. Each state gets three and they are forced to vote for whoever their state voted for. Then you can't have people ignoring caucuses to bank on party elites choosing you.
I think super delegates should be banned entirely. Party elites should not get a vote in who the nominee is. 

Just briefly, how do billionaires get so much money? They invest. If you promise to take large chunks of their money if they keep earning it, they will stop investing, which would be dreadful for the economy.
no, it would not. It would be hugely beneficial for the economy. Money moving through the economy is what drives growth. If a large percentage of the money is held by a tiny percentage of the population and not actually being spent, that is a problem. 

And anyway, they could just easily move their money overseas. The tricky thing about taxing rich people is that they have the means to get around them. 
Are you arguing that billionaires would move the entirety of their assets overseas and never return to america? Because a wealth tax would apply to overseas money. And if they don't pay their taxes, we would arrest them for tax evasion. 

 But if you want a wealth tax, you have to consider that not every bit of wealth people own is liquid. Some of them, like houses or investments, can be tied up or difficult to sell off to pay said taxes, which makes the whole concept murky.
It would require them to keep liquid assets to pay their taxes. It isn't a difficult concept. they do it now. 

I would rather make multiple laws about how they can spend money rather than take it from people offering much-needed investments in our economy. Our savings rates are terrible, so someone has to offer capital for company projects.
The problem is that you can't ever pass and enforce enough laws. For every method you block, they will find a new one. They have virtually limitless resources to find ways to use their money to buy influence. As long as they have billions in assets at their disposal, they will find a way to corrupt the system to benefit themselves. 
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He pushed stop and frisk, that kind of tough on crime bullshit is as republican as it comes. 

He confiscated more guns than any Republican or Democrat ever. 

Question: What do the National Rifle Association and the American Civil Liberties Union have in common? Answer: The determination to stop New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg from having his way with guns. The NRA defends the Second Amendment's right to bear arms. The ACLU defends the Fourth Amendment's constraints on "stop and frisk." Between the two, guns will remain on the street and more people will die.

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He confiscated more guns than any Republican or Democrat ever. 
and it had no measurable effect on crime. So basically, he violated people's constitutional rights and accomplished nothing. 

Question: What do the National Rifle Association and the American Civil Liberties Union have in common? Answer: The determination to stop New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg from having his way with guns. The NRA defends the Second Amendment's right to bear arms. The ACLU defends the Fourth Amendment's constraints on "stop and frisk." Between the two, guns will remain on the street and more people will die.

that is a really weak argument. The NRA wants to be able to sell as many guns, both legally and illegally as they can. They therefore fight against any laws that might prevent them selling killing machines. 

The ACLU is trying to protect people's rights to not be searched at random for no reason other than the color of their skin. There is really no comparison.  

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Confiscating guns isn't a far-right policy.
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Confiscating guns isn't a far-right policy.
tough on crime laws are absolutely a far right policy. 

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So what? my point stands.

Confiscating guns isn't a far-right policy.

Bloomberg is so bad both parties hate him.
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So what? my point stands.

Confiscating guns isn't a far-right policy.
It wasn't a policy about confiscating guns. It was a policy about abusing and violating the rights of minorities in order to bring down the crime rate. It was a "tough on crime" policy", which is absolutely a republican policy. It was also a complete failure at lowering the crime rate. 

Bloomberg is so bad both parties hate him.
agreed. He is just awful. He the exact worst mix of traits to make him a complete dumpster fire of a political candidate. Economically right wing but random hard left social issues that make him toxic to republicans. There is no way he could ever win an election for president as either a democrat or a republican. 
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It wasn't a policy about confiscating guns.

Trump ordered his people at his SC rally to vote for Bernie.
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Trump ordered his people at his SC rally to vote for Bernie.
I didn't see that. If he did he is a either complete idiot or quite clever. He would beat joe biden or mike bloomberg easily. They both have shitty records that he could trash them with. If he honestly doesn't know that and thinks sanders would be easier to beat, then he is an idiot. 

On the other hand, if he is trying to be sneaky by say, making it look like Sanders is the candidate he wants against him to undermine sanders' support, or if he thinks Sanders can't get to a majority and he knows the DNC will rig it against him and tear the party apart in the process; both of those might be clever plans. 


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Youre still on the Sanders bandwagon. He’s not going to win. A recent poll showed that 18% of Democrats wouldn’t vote for Sanders. Combine that with Latinos especially after the Castro comment. Combine that with his disaster among Africans Americans in South Carolina.
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Sanders MIGHT have won 4 years ago with the crappy state of the economy in 2016...absolutely no chance Americans are going to roll the dice in this economy.
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Trump asked his crowd at his SC rally who they wanted to see as his opponent, and the crowd picked Bernie 2 to 1 over sleepy Joe.
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Youre still on the Sanders bandwagon. He’s not going to win. A recent poll showed that 18% of Democrats wouldn’t vote for Sanders.
With MSNBC and CNN comparing him to Nazi's and constantly attacking him, the fact that it is that low is a good sign. Once Sanders win, MSNBC and CNN will have no choice but bend the knee, just like Fox did once it became clear trump was going to win. 

Combine that with Latinos especially after the Castro comment.
are you aware that sanders has the highest support among latinos by a sizable margin?

 Combine that with his disaster among Africans Americans in South Carolina.
are you aware that recent polling shows sanders at number one among black voters nationally?

There is really only 3 ways this goes.

1) sanders win a majority of delegates and the DNC is powerless to do anything to stop him
2) sanders wins the plurality of delegates, but is too afraid of destroying their party to steal it from him
3) sanders win the plurality of delegates. The DNC uses super delegates to steal the nomination and destroy their party in a desperate bid to stop him. 

There is no other way this goes. 
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With MSNBC and CNN comparing him to Nazi's and constantly attacking him, the fact that it is that low is a good sign. Once Sanders win, MSNBC and CNN will have no choice but bend the knee, just like Fox did once it became clear trump was going to win. 
He honeymooned in a Communist Paradise and praised Castro. Enough said.

are you aware that sanders has the highest support among latinos by a sizable margin?
Within the Democratic Party. No way in hell among Latinos that are independents. A lot of them escaped from socialist paradises that Bernie has a habit of praising. If Bernie is the nominee, Florida is Likely Republican and Nevada moves to tossup.

are you aware that recent polling shows sanders at number one among black voters nationally?
Then how’d he lose the majority black primary in South Carolina by around 20-25 points?


There is really only 3 ways this goes.

1) sanders win a majority of delegates and the DNC is powerless to do anything to stop him
Unlikely

2) sanders wins the plurality of delegates, but is too afraid of destroying their party to steal it from him
50%

3) sanders win the plurality of delegates. The DNC uses super delegates to steal the nomination and destroy their party in a desperate bid to stop him. 
50%



There is no other way this goes. 

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Trump asked his crowd at his SC rally who they wanted to see as his opponent, and the crowd picked Bernie 2 to 1 over sleepy Joe.

Bernie is a disaster. All Trump has to do is play footage of Bernie praising breadlines, praising communists like Castro, and talking about his heart attack.
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He honeymooned in a Communist Paradise and praised Castro. Enough said.
lol he went to a place a long, long time ago and he said something that obama said a few years ago. My god, what a monster. Do you even listen to yourself?

Within the Democratic Party. No way in hell among Latinos that are independents.
Do you have any evidence for this baseless claim?

Then how’d he lose the majority black primary in South Carolina by around 20-25 points?
that's easy, age. South Carolina's electorate skews older and black. Old and Black is the category where biden does best. Bernie won in SC with younger black people. 

Bernie is a disaster. All Trump has to do is play footage of Bernie praising breadlines, praising communists like Castro, and talking about his heart attack.
Bernie will crush trump. Trump has failed at most of the things he promised to do. People's lives haven't gotten any better under trump and he has no ideas on how to make them get better. He has no healthcare plan (despite repeatedly promising he does). He has no plan to help the poor and working class other than to just cut more taxes for the rich. 

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Bernie will crush trump


You can triple your money there right now.
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You can triple your money there right now.
there is still a reasonably good chance the DNC will try to rob him of the nomination and destroy the democratic party. Their corruption and self dealing runs so deep that they are terrified of losing their cash cow by having a progressive (who doesn't need or want their corruption) being the nominee. 

Also, I don't gamble. 
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hehe. I put 500 dollars on Trump. will probably make an easy 350-400 dollars back.
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hehe. I put 500 dollars on Trump. will probably make an easy 350-400 dollars back.
well if the DNC manage to steal the nomination from Bernie, then it's easy money. Biden would get destroyed by Trump. But every talking head on cable is trying their hardest to convince people he can win (for reasons they can't really explain).