Unfortunately, Bloomberg might be the Dems best bet to win

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lol other than electing him president there is literally no way to prove he is lying. There is also no way to prove he is telling the truth. The available evidence says that he is lying though. So why would anyone choose to believe him?
You said there is no way to prove either then you said you have proof that he is lying? Are you stupid?

My reasoning behind this is that I am not going to make an enemy out of everyone instead start off with them being honest and then see if there is major evidence of them lying. This would need to be in a short span of time because I am not going to call someone a liar for something they did a decade ago.
You implied that Bloomberg's belief in climate change was an issue he is "left" on. Since science is not a left or right wing belief, this is simply untrue. Believing in science is not a left wing policy position. 
I literally showed you a quote of mine but you still said the same thing as before. Have you literally lost your mind or are you doing this on purpose since I did show you evidence of my response and you refused to give me a different answer?
no, i'm telling you he has not acknowledged what he did was wrong. He has said that he is sorry for how it turned out. He isn't sorry for doing it. He isn't sorry for violating people's constitutional rights. This is the weakest apology possible. And the reason it is so weak is because he still thinks stop and frisk was a great idea. And he was making that case fairly recently. 
No proof given. Guess this must be your belief. Everyone other than who I like are liars. 
You are asking me to difinitively prove something inside Bloombergs head. That us obviously not a fair request.
Calling someone a liar is a pretty hefty claim my dude. If you can't prove it don't say it. 
Why do you think that the campaign promise is his real beliefs?
Why would I engage in conspiracies, so that I can be as bad as you?
you changed your mind on 1 issue, probably after years of reflection on that issue. Bloomberg is claiming he has changed him mind on like a dozen issues and he did it at the exact moment he decided he wanted to be president. 
It isn't 1 issue. It is various issues like with Bloomberg. You give me a bullshit answer and expect to me to accept this level of trash.
The timing, the number of issues he has swung on, and the fact that he has something to gain by saying he now believes this are all factors that should suggest that he is lying. Other than his word, there is no evidence to support what he says. His entire record says the opposite. 
With this amount of belief I think you should attend a Church. Your already doing the hard part as in literally denying the claims you are making aren't valid but lets just say they are correct well because I just feel like it should be. 
i'm not suggesting those specific policies are things he would try to enact. But it shows what kind of man he is. He is willing to take people's rights, to violate the constitution to get what he thinks is right. A man who is willing to knowingly engage in and defend wildly racist government harassment is not a man who should be trusted with power. 
I guess people don't change. Well guess poor people are doomed to be poor.
No, i'm saying he is doing it to try to protect his money. Bloomberg profits massively off of the broken economic and political system as it exists today. If Biden looked like he was going to win, he never would have gotten into the race. He is running to try to stop a progressive candidate from winning. He is trying to protect his wealth, power and influence. 
No evidence just your belief. I guess more cult like behavior the more that I read it.
opposing minimum wage, he supported the war in Iraq, he is a corporatist (ie supports the government giving handouts to corporations)
Literally wants a minimum wage and you have refused even now to tell me how my link was wrong.
Biden supported the Iraq war guess he is also a Republican oh wait this can't be true since he is trying to become the Democratic nominee.
"Michael Bloomberg said Saturday he would raise taxes on the wealthy, increase the corporate tax rate, and curb tax-free inheritances of large estates, elements of a tax plan that he says would raise $5 trillion over a decade."

Guess literally all of your claims don't correlate with the present. Biden I guess is right wing. Bloomberg doesn't support the minimum wage even though he said he has. Bloomberg doesn't support a higher tax rate but he does.
So lets come at it from a different direction. Much of the county sees that he is right wing whether or not you do.  Much of the country sees him as a misogynist, a racist and an oligarch. If he is the nominee, progressives will not show up to vote for someone they perceive to be a right wing oligarch. So why would picking him as the nominee be a good thing? He will get crushed by trump.
Why would I continue this conversation with such a bad faith actor who is willing to literally lie about the other side in order for his side to look better? This can be easily seen with you literally providing no evidence that he is lying and you even contradicting yourself on the evidence to signify you don't actually know what you are talking about it.

Respond if you want but your refusal to be reasonable instead be feelings driven has made this useless to me. 

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You said there is no way to prove either then you said you have proof that he is lying? Are you stupid?
I said the available evidence (ie his decades of right wing ideology) says he is lying. There is no evidence he is telling the truth. Why are you choosing to believe him? Are you stupid?

I literally showed you a quote of mine but you still said the same thing as before. Have you literally lost your mind or are you doing this on purpose since I did show you evidence of my response and you refused to give me a different answer?
you showed me that more people on one side believed something. If I found a a poll that said that more democrats like blue cars, does that make liking the color blue a left wing belief? Believing science is not a left or right wing ideology. 

No proof given. Guess this must be your belief. Everyone other than who I like are liars. 
There is clearly no point discussing this with you. Rather than actually look at what I am saying you just dismiss it out of hand. 

You are asking me to difinitively prove something inside Bloombergs head. That us obviously not a fair request.
Calling someone a liar is a pretty hefty claim my dude. If you can't prove it don't say it. 
lol a politicians says he has done a complete 180 on a ton of his beliefs that he has held and defended for years. He has done absolutely nothing to prove that is true. you say we must believe his words even though they are completely contrary to his actions. That is insane. 

Why do you think that the campaign promise is his real beliefs?
Why would I engage in conspiracies, so that I can be as bad as you?
questioning a politician's promises is now conspiracy theory? How biased are you that you see the questioning of a candidate's record and promises as conspiracy?

It isn't 1 issue. It is various issues like with Bloomberg. You give me a bullshit answer and expect to me to accept this level of trash.
no, religion is one main issue. There are lots of issues under that. Bloomberg is claiming he has completely changed his mind on a large number of unrelated issues all at the same time at the exact moment he has something to gain by claiming he has changed his mind. Anyone who thinks that isn't suspicious isn't looking at the situation rationally. 

I guess people don't change. Well guess poor people are doomed to be poor.
lol this is just getting sad. You are comparing the beliefs of a man in his late 70's that he has held for decades to the amount of money someone has. Those things are in no way related and you just sound increasingly desperate to try to defend a right wing oligarch. But it's ok, MSNBC and CNN are also desperately trying to deflect as well. 

Literally wants a minimum wage and you have refused even now to tell me how my link was wrong.
I have thoroughly explained. You just refuse to listen. Bloomberg has argued against raising the minimum wage all his life. Now he suddenly needs to appeal to a national democratic audience (who strongly believes in raising the minimum wage) and he suddenly sees the light. He now realizes his entire life has been wrong and if you vote for him he will totally do the thing he has spent decades arguing against. If you believe that, you are either REALLY biased and just want to believe it, or you just aren't very bright. I have seen you argue eloquently (sometimes) so I am guessing it is the former. 

Guess literally all of your claims don't correlate with the present. Biden I guess is right wing. Bloomberg doesn't support the minimum wage even though he said he has. Bloomberg doesn't support a higher tax rate but he does.
again, you choose to believe something a politician says when their entire record says they believe the opposite. The only reason to believe him is because you want to. There is no evidence to support it. 

Respond if you want but your refusal to be reasonable instead be feelings driven has made this useless to me. 
My entire argument is based on his long, easily checkable record. Your entire argument is based on "well he says something different now so his record doesn't count". Which one of us is arguing from emotion?
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I watched the debate in South Carolina last night.

Out of all the candidates, I think I liked Bloomberg the most. He seemed very cool and even tempered besides. Warren and Buttigieg, especially the former, seemed too excitable. Biden should just sit his tail down. Did I mistakenly hear him throw Obama under the bus? Why is he pointing at me and yelling?

I find all the race pandering on stage to be obnoxious. 


Bloomberg seemed very reasonable. I also think that he could believably encourage cooperation between the two parties. Donald Trump seems to have a lot of trouble with this.

Still, I think Bernie is probably going to win the nomination. I would rather see Trump in office 4 more years than a Bernie presidency. Because in politics people tend to haphazardly throw around slurs and labels, it makes it hard for people to take seriously claims like say, Bernie Sanders is a flippin communist.

Bernie Sanders totally is a communist, and that isn't political rhetoric. I don't like him one bit. Like all communists, he makes all these grand declarations about what the socialist state will do to make everything better. It's all false promises and lies. Of course, if you believe him, I can't convince you of that.

If he does get elected, I hope that the government frustrates his ability to make any drastic changes. I do not want to live in a socialist country. Socialists have a bad tendency of persecuting the church wherever they gain power. A hierarchical church, that is, a church with bishops, presbyters, deacons, and laity is antithetical to the socialist ideal.



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Shut up, Warren 2020 end of discussion.

How’s Jeremy Corbyn doing?
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Do you think that losing means you were in the wrong?
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Do you think that losing means you were in the wrong?

It means people won’t vote for it. Clearly more people thought it was wrong.
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I don't know how much you know about UK's voting system but SNP is essentially Labour in the vote that just occured (it was a coalition waiting to happen post-vote), if you add up the voters of SNP and Labour it was a solid 50/50 split and if Lib Dems have coalitioned and it went by proportional representation, it would have actually been a victory to anti-Brexit left-wing parties. The alternative to Conservative, that was pro-Brexit and right-wing, dropped out 2 weeks prior to the election ballot. This was a sneak tactic and meant that due to the seats and 'first past the post' determining the seats, Conservatives appeared to have a landslide victory as the anti-Brexit parties 'ate at each other's base' with almost all marginal areas favouring Conservatives due to this filthy tactic by the ones who dropped out.

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Isn’t that how politics work?