Narcos Mafia DP2

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Wednesdays are long nights for me, so I'll probably read things over tomorrow. Try not to like, fucking lynch town while I'm away.
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@Singularity
I dont think we should discouraging hammering by making it scummy to hammer a town player.

That's not what I'm saying. The act of hammering isn't pro-town or pro-scum, it's just casting a vote. The manner in which you hammer, though, can suggest affiliation. Hence why things like "quickhammering" existing.
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Kind of odd how when a main player is town reading you and defending you you are willing to look all the less active players in the eyes and say "go ahead lynch me I'll even vtl myself" but as soon as you don't have a big player to publicly back you up you start getting all defensive at the idea that you might be FOS'ed next DP.
hmmm... DD thinks of himself as a "big player" which means he thinks of most of us as "little players"  I wonder how this mindset influences his reads.
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Reads (not going into crazy detail on this because this game has been slow)

 Drafterman - Null, lean scum- Not as active and engaged feeling as he normally is I feel like. But then again no one else is either.

Speed- Town, via character claims and other characters claimed that support him

DD- Lean scum- Don't wanna tunnel, but it looks like he lied about his read on bullish to look town. He stated he town read bullish the whole time, but his last post stated willingness to lynch him, and before that he lectured me for switching my read off him based on his character. Bragging he thought bullish was town looks like trying to earn town cred.

Supa- Town - I was scum's biggest mislynch target, claiming results that confirm me is not in scums best interest.

Zaradi- Null, lean scum- Not playing aggressively and hunting town. The last game I played with him was drafters quickfire game, and his behavior was a stark contrast to his play here. He was town in that one. If he is dis-interested in the game, I think he needs to at least claim so I can better read him.

Greyparrot- Null, lean town- Town lean based on character alone, and I understand scum could have fake claims. GP has been inactive otherwise, but his role should be confirmable. Surprised no one has claimed to get a message yet.

WaterPhoenix- Town. Didn't board the dumb wagons yesterday. All his reads have been supported by his own reasons, and he seems to be open to opinions and objective. Mostly on gut I feel water is town.

Oromagi-null, lean town- His claim falls in line with the other two dead cali cartel members. His behavior seems genuine for the time being.. 

Singularity- null, lean town- I am partially town leaning him based on his character claim as well, Limon is big. He is Escobars last loyal Sicario prior to his death. The other part is the tunnel feel I am getting from the other players against him. Open minded about it being a bus or creating distance, but it feels sketch.
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If I had to name 3 scum now, my picks would be Zaradi, drafter, and DD.  These are developing and may change in an instant as did my read on bullish.
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@Zaradi
. We have three leads for scum
Please id and say why
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I have already throughout the DP, but I'll put them here anyway

In no order of preference:
1. Singularity for the quick hammer last DP
2. DD for his reaction/reads post Supa's post
3. GPs results, if he has any


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Not playing aggressively and as* hunting town

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Lunatic is town. I hid behind him last night

You only "die when you visit mafia" if your role has the "weak" modifier. That is the reason that I asked you last DP "does your role have the 'weak' modifier?" You responded to this question by saying "Nope".
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@oromagi
It's Claudio
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Cool, DD is town. Scratch that one off the list.
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I didn't know what a weak hider is
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@Singularity
Oromagi= pro
thanks, buddy
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@Vader
So Disc want's to lynch a town confirmed role? AKWARD

How is Singularities role "town confirmed"? Last I checked they hadn't even role claimed.
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Wednesdays are long nights for me, so I'll probably read things over tomorrow. Try not to like, fucking lynch town while I'm away.
No claims or help or anything?  No spreadsheets?  That's not like Draft at all.


Hey, Big Players-  Can you confirm that drafterman is usually not available on Wednesdays?
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@Zaradi
That's not what I'm saying. The act of hammering isn't pro-town or pro-scum, it's just casting a vote. The manner in which you hammer, though, can suggest affiliation. Hence why things like "quickhammering" existing.

The wagon on him was developing for a long time. Can I assume you mean my lack of explanation?

I can tell you I am willing to lynch anyone not on my town list, whether I have evidence they are scum or not. 

I'm also just not that into this game and already told pie to leave me off of it, but he put me in the game anyway.

I have recently had some epiphanies about my current mindset and how it relates to previous traumas and would like to take time away from the site. 


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@Discipulus_Didicit
To you in DP1 he was practically town, now you randomly want to lynch him
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@Singularity
Fair enough. Hope things are going well for you

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I have already throughout the DP, but I'll put them here anyway

In no order of preference:
1. Singularity for the quick hammer last DP
2. DD for his reaction/reads post Supa's post
3. GPs results, if he has any
Thanks!  Sorry for any duplication of effort.

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Also nothing wrong with quick hammers. I would rather get the lynch over with than wait two days while people jump on and off the wagon waffling over their decisions 
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Singularity - (2/6) Disc, Water

Zaradi - (2/6) Lunatic, Singularity

Lmk if I have something wrong 

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@Zaradi
Things are going great, but it is jarring to have your worldview disproved. Particularly when you didn't realize it was your world view and can see how the belief effects nearly everything you do and mostly in negative ways
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@Singularity
I dont think we should discouraging hammering by making it scummy to hammer a town player. This is precisely why we have such a hard time securing lynches so often. 
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Not so much the fact that you hammered (obviously someobe has to hammer at some point) but the fact that within I think about a 45 min time period 3 votes pop up with none giving any explanation for why they prefer to lynch virt over vtnl is sus as hell especially when 2 of those 3 people were scum read by the player that died last night (I am well known to be against vtnl in general but when there are an even number of players [and 12 is an even number] obviously that is an exception because, you know... math.)
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Oh I didn't read the last 6 or so pages of that dp and still have not. Was unaware of that
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Please advise of any corrections, additions

11. Oromagi         Gilberto Rodriguez
X. Virtuoso             Pacho Herrera     BULLETPROOF
X. Bullish             Judy Moncada       ASCETIC
TOWN
3. Speed               Pablo Escobar 
7. Greyparrot         Poison                     MAILMAN
12. Singularity       El Limon                
4. DD                     Javier Pena             MILLER  [CC second]
2. Lunatic              Maria Salazar           MILLER  [CC first]
5. Supa                  La Quica                  HIDER                            TUF
9. WaterPhoenix      (no claim)
6. Zaradi                  (no claim)
1. Drafterman          (no claim)
SCUM

CALI (season 3)
Gilberto Rodriguez
Maria Salazar
X.Pacho Herrera

MEDELLIN (Season 1 & 2)
Pablo Escobar
El Limon
Poison
La Quica

LOS PEPES
Javier Pena
X.Judy Moncada
Steve Murphy?

UVC

Singularity - (2/6) Disc, Water

Zaradi - (2/6) Lunatic, Singularity



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@oromagi
hmmm... DD thinks of himself as a "big player" which means he thinks of most of us as "little players"  I wonder how this mindset influences his reads.

Good question. Will have to think on that one myself. In this context though "big" roughly translates to "more active".
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@Singularity
I'm also just not that into this game and already told pie to leave me off of it, but he put me in the game anyway.

Sorry about that, would you like to be replaced?
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No. I think I am the only person who knows how to use my role correctly
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What's a weak hider mean?
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@Singularity
No. I think I am the only person who knows how to use my role correctly
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Lemme know if you want to in the future,
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Let me think about it