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@Lunatic
I also don't buy two millers
Narcos Mafia DP1
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@Vader
WhyI also don't buy two millers
Both Lunatic and DD are acting scummy to me, tbh.
Lunatic policy claimed miller, but then is against policy lynching millers. In debating meta, Lunatic is usually against policy but, probably like most people, he picks and chooses the policies he likes or suits him at the time. Regardless, he claimed very early which would be a bold, risky gambit as scum.
DD claims, but explicitly doesn't CC Lunatic. DD proposes multiply miller theory (as opposed to Lunatic proposing it by way of defense). I don't know the show, but this tells me that the theme legitimately supports multiple millers and DD knows this. If it's bold to suggest Mafia would quick claim miller, it would be even BOLDER for scum to claim miller AFTER it has already been claimed unless they knew they could support it with theme analysis. Likewise, a Town miller would auto-CC a previous miller claim unless they knew the theme supported multiple millers.
There is no way town or scum is claiming a second miller without it being a CC otherwise. So I'm inclined to say that the theme must support multiple millers and DD+Lunatic know this and are both Town or both Scum.
The whole stuff with Supa. I don't know. It seems like he C&Pd his role into google translate, then hastily transcribed it into a post rather than C&Ping the translation. He mixed up Colombians and Mexicans. I've probed him on this and I don't see anything that screams scum to me. Hider could be any affiliation, even third party.
The only other thing that sticks out to me is Speed's comment that Lunatic should be investigated. It comes off as proposing a sanity test, but you can also read it as making sure investigative roles waste a round investigating someone whose results would be inconclusive anyway. Sanity is only proven with flips, so it's better for them to investigate other people to provide more information once those flips start happening.
Claims
2. Lunatic - Maria Salazar - Miller
7. Greyparrot - Poison - Messenger
4. DD - Javier Pena - Miller
5. Supa - La Quica - Hider
3. Speed - Pablo Escobar
12. Singularity - Limon
11. Oromagi - Gilberto Rodrigeuz
Unclaimed
1. Drafterman
6. Zaradi
8. Virtuoso
9. WaterPhoenix
10. Bullish
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@David
Play or die.
VTL Virt
Character groupings:
Speedrace- Pablo Escobar in a typical evil vs good set up is like the main antagonist, but he is also kind of the main character.
Greyparrot- Poison lines up with speeds claim, he's escobar's top hitman in the Sicario's in season 1 before he is killed.
Supa- La Quica is another of the main Sicarios, probably second most badass behind poison, and definitely one of the most reknown. I would have been surprised if he wasn't in
Singularity- Limon is more green than the rest, but ends up literally being Pablos last Sicario before the shootout that ends his life. He was loyal when all was failing, and the money ran out.
This group right here claim-wise is pretty strong, not going to lie. There are a few other claims that could go in here that would be strong as well, but I am not going to give mafia free fake claims, so I will let them figure that shit out. But the fact that Pablo and 3 of his sicarios have claimed, means that (unless one of these is fake claiming, which is entirely possible) this is not absolutely 100% not good guys vs bad guys. We should take that with a grain of salt for now and obviously prioritize behavior, but these claims are very strong.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, I expect there to be a few DEA. The fact that only one of them has claimed means that the others probably have power roles or are scum waiting for a fake claim. DEA could possibly be scum, but I can't see DD counter claiming me as scum, unless when he claimed he legit did not notice my miller claim. If I get played by DD in this game I will feel like an absolute fool, but I feel like he is town, and for that reason I am almost writing of DEA as scum entirely.
DEA:
DD- Javier Pena is one of the 3 main characters next to Murphy and Escobar, and gets some of the most screen time. Him being miller actually blows my mind. An alternative to DEA being scum is as someone mentioned earlier, gringos could be scum which would make steve murphy and his wife probably scum. He is associated with them, but still columbian so that could explain the miller better. Still doubt that though, because if DD is town and what he said about his link to Los Pepes, it would make Los Pepe's scum. Problem with that is that there isn't like 3 separate characters for Los Pepes based on my memory. I just remember them being a group of people who are vigilante and want to challenge Pablo's hold on their sociecty.
My character Maria Salazar is the only character of the claims so far I am completely unsure about. I don't remember her from season 1 and 2 (she might have been minor then) but she seems more prevalent is season 3 which I haven't seen. So flips and or more claims are definitely gonna help us figure out the theme more, but I think the strongest claims in contect, are from the original group above, of Pablo and his Sicarios.
My initial thoughts are gringos/ Los Pepe's are scum. We shall see.
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@Speedrace
It just seems anti town and looking at Luna's role, idk how Maria would fall under a miller
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@drafterman
Lunatic policy claimed miller, but then is against policy lynching millers. In debating meta, Lunatic is usually against policy but, probably like most people, he picks and chooses the policies he likes or suits him at the time. Regardless, he claimed very early which would be a bold, risky gambit as scum.
Btw, I am not picking and choosing policies that suit man. I am following an SOP that is commonly understood with millers that you follow through with or die. I heavily considered doing a town gambit and in hindsight wish I had. Not sure if I would have CC'ed DD though when he eventually claimed, probably would have just so it wouldn't look bad on me later, but wouldn't have scum read him for it.
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@Lunatic
But you're against policy lynching millers. So you are, in fact, choosing and discarding policies.
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@drafterman
Falling in line with a policy that will otherwise get you lynched is basic survival instinct, it doesn't mean I support said policy. You argued the same thing in south park mafia when you claimed vanilla without pressure. You didn't agree with it, but did it because that's what you thought the meta was.But you're against policy lynching millers. So you are, in fact, choosing and discarding policies.
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@Lunatic
Falling in line with a policy that will otherwise get you lynched is basic survival instinct, it doesn't mean I support said policy.
That's essentially what I said.
I never said I didn't agree with it.You argued the same thing in south park mafia when you claimed vanilla without pressure. You didn't agree with it, but did it because that's what you thought the meta was.
Vote Count
Lunatic - (4/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa, Greyparrot
SupaDudz - (3/7) Zaradi, Oro, Lunatic
Virtuoso - (2/7) Water, Drafter
Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic
Lmk if I have something wrong
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@drafterman
I don't know what your point is then.
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@Vader
The fact that you keep saying this while reiterating the fact that you dont understand the theme is hella sus. DD is literally the main Colombian detective on the Dea and is also a miller. That makes absolutely 0 sense. Poison being messenger doesn't make sense either. My husband is literally a drug lord. If your judging your lynch on claim accuracy my miller claim is more accurate link wise than any other character claimed so far.It just seems anti town and looking at Luna's role, idk how Maria would fall under a miller
I also can't get over why supa had an "n" in his characters name. If I was character claiming from a theme I knew nothing about I would copy my character name down especially if it was from a different language. This legit sounds like someone read the claim off a wiki and misspelled it in casual talking about fake claims in a discord, and supa copied that same misspelled text to post it here. If this waa actually in his role pm he should have spelt it correctly because of copy and paste.
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@Lunatic
Because I mistyped it lmao, I thought it would be obvious. That little fact should not be a FOS point on you lmao. It's not that big of a deal
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@Lunatic
oh my god TUF you've been playing this game for 10 goddamn years how can you not realize this, BEHAVIOUR IS GENERATED BY VOTING PEOPLE, and it is my personal mafia belief that a VOTE should always be backed with the intent to KILL. Of all the people here, why am I having this discussion with YOU.
You have misrepresented all my positions on your wagon. First of all I never claimed that voting you was based on behaviour, I voted you because you were covered by not 1, but TWO policies. Then I questioned your apparent belief that voting can't generate behaviour. Like to told Ragnar last game, wanting to lynch people has never been in the history of mafia been lazy. The laziest and lowest activity games typically end in no-reads and no-lynches for a reason.
You're also irrationally critical of 2 SOP reasons to vote you: being miller and being CC'd. Drafter is completely right you are selectively ignoring how this game is played based on your convenience. As town you would just count those points against you and scum hunt like normal so your behaviours prove your towniness.
Didn't supa claim La Quica? Where's the "n" in La Quica?
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@drafterman
@Singularity
I legitimately bought the multiple miller claim based on theme once more people who knew the theme mentioned it, and was on the verge of town reading both of them. But I am now seriously considering that this IS a scum gambit where BOTH Lunatic and DD are claiming miller, because they thought they could get away with the mutliple miller theory.
Single brought up DD's scummy ass post, and then Lunatic started coming up with BS reasons to vote me and FOS people on his wagon.
The more I think about it the more it seems like a low-risk gambit. If there's a 3rd town miller, and he claims, that lends more credibility to the the multiple miller theory and would render investigations useless. If there was no 3rd miller and we did end up policy lynching Lunatic, then DD is "cleared" to a greater degree than if he just bussed.
Why can't we get more than 4 people on Lunatic's wagon? If there's anything I learned about the meta on this site from the 3 game i've played is that scum apparently love to bus. In South Park scum attempted to bus Water repeatedly. In Speed's game Pie was bussed by both of his scum buddies from the beginning. Last game Zaradi hard bussed grey.
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@Lunatic
Oh I thought you meant he typed "n" instead of "ñ"
You'd think all the recent bus attempts would mean that scum would want to be conservative specifically because of that logic. Also why tag singularity lol trying to convince him of something hes already on board with? Painting me and DD as scum gambit is the easiest way to sell a double mislynch conspiracy theory lmao. If I flip town you gonna still scum read DD? This is kinda also why I am okay with being lynched, to get this dumb pressure off DD as well. Plus pie already said he will try to replace me back in so low key not worried either way. This mislynch will convince a lot of the smarter people that bullish and his boys are full of shit here
Will respond to bullish post in depth when I'm back at a pc soon
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@Speedrace
Do you buy two millers?
We have less than 24 hours left in the DP, it's time to consolidate a lynch. I'm good with lynching Lunatic or one of the inactives, those being Zaradi and Virt.
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@drafterman
I don't know the show, but this tells me that the theme legitimately supports multiple millers and DD knows this.
I mean, based on my PM and the things that people have said in the thread it is litterally a show where the good guys are commiting murder and associating with dug lords... so...
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@Bullish
I would preferably want to lynch singularity/wylted or you but seeing as there's no time in the dp I'd say lynch based on an actually good policy and lynch virt for inactivity.
VTL VIRTUOSO
btw im already on virt but ehh
Summary of conversation between Bullish and Lunatic:
B: Just lynch Lunatic, no need to think further (40).L: Okay so basically just lynching me because I claimed miller? Seems pretty lazy (77).B: Oh uh, no... no not just because of the miller claim. I meant to do that to generate behavior that we can think on further (223).L: You litterally just said "no need to think further" (225).
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@Discipulus_Didicit
pretty much lmao