Recycled Roles Endgame! Town wins!

01.31.2020 3:53PM

Oh I missed post 63 until now. So either the cop claim was a bus or GP is just acting incredibly scummy as town, which actually fits his town meta. Smells like a bus though given GPs fake claim and oros claim of self protection. Either way Zaradi scum af lol

Zaradi should have been lynched before WP based on behavior and claim analysis.

+1

I prioritize balance to "bastarding". I think giving mafia one good fake claim isn't bastard, it's tantamount to being bastard if a town player can just say they are a character and will be automatically town confirmed too, I think giving a good fake claim or role isn't too messed up IMO. I've done it in the last like 10 games I've hosted though so at least it's been consistent lol. Peeps just gotta remember role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmations

It was def not as bastard as Speed's game, and I agree behaviour is king, which is why I probably would have lynched Zaradi after oro flipped inno.

The one scum game I played where you were mod, we weren't given fake claims, and I stopped trusting Grey's claim that you always gave fake claims when he flipped scum. I also looked through your past endgames, and didn't see fake claims mentioned in the OPs; but now I see that even though you gave mafia a cop fake claim, it isn't mentioned in the OP either. In any case I don't consider giving fake claims as bastard, I don't do it often but I've done it once for balance reasons.

Having a miller without a cop is kinda borderline. I think I may have put a mafia ninja in the game without a watcher or tracker. But what pushes it over the edge for me is that you gave mafia the cop fake claim, while having a miller.

The town was overpowered. 2 scum and 9 town allows 3 mislynches but only 2 lynches were needed for scum to lose. On the other hand 3 scum would mean 2 mislynches would be allowed and 3 correct lynches needed to win. 11 player games are hard to balance. I think luna picked the right number of scum but maybe should have eased up on town PRs (disclaimer: I don't 'have access' to the doc in the OP and can't see what Zaradi or anyone who didn't claim was).

Bullish

01.29.2020 9:46PM

I didn't have time to post a read list for statistical reasons, but I would have probably scum read speed and grey

Bullish

01.29.2020 9:51PM

and pie and zaradi. yes im scum reading 4 people in a game with 2 mafia

Discipulus_Didicit 

01.31.2020 2:53PM

I like how this DP is going. No matter who is lying I can say I called out scum DP 1. One of the perks of calling out over half the players as scum DP 1 lol.

Lunatic 

01.31.2020 2:54PM

Who do you think scum is?

Discipulus_Didicit 

01.31.2020 2:57PM

Oh I have no idea lol but let's see who I called scum DP 1... GP, oro, drafter, singu, supa... That's just off the top of my head. At least one of those has to be right, right?

This was originally balanced for 13, had to cut two roles. Balancing it slightly in favor of town is always better than mafia, especially in light of the mafia win streak lately. Plus I felt like the cop claim made up for it.

Lol hindsight glasses are solidly glued to people's faces here.

1. Full random lynch every DP.
   
2. Town death every NP.
   
3. 1 cop,
   
4. Cop makes 1 investigation per night,
   
5. Investigating mafia prompts cop to out the following DP and guarantees a mafia lynch,
   
6. Upon lack of guilties, cop outs DP sqrt(playerCount-1),
   
7. Inno'd players are confirmed,
   
8. Cop and confirmed townies cannot be lynched,
   
9. Pre-confirmed town survival rate approximated,
   
10. If cop is about to be lynched, he outs,
    
11. if mafia is about to be lynched, he claims cop, forcing the cop to out,
    
12. Upon outing, cop dies,
    
13. Confirmed townies receive priority death.
    
14. (Note that play is not 100% optimal.)
    

Note line 6 would mean cop outs DP3 with 2 innos.

Behaviour is not factored.