Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP1

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@SirAnonymous
I've debunked this so many times. This is so ridiculous. There were several different possibilities that were obvious and fairly likely.
No you ain't debunk nothin. Everytime you "debunk" this theory you just contradict yourself more and more. Of the "several different possibilities" you came up with a grand total of TWO, both of which would mark Grey as scum! And you called one "obvious," the other "highly likely," which linguistically leaves little room for another probably scenario!

That may have something to do with the fact that I am usually wrong. Here's an interesting statistic for you: I have a 0% success rate at scum hunting. I have only lynched scum twice. One time, the mafia conceded. The other time, the mafia failed to vote, leaving me no choice but to lynch them. I have never caught scum of my own volition. Long story short, you shouldn't be surprised that I expect to be wrong.

Alright first of all I've been known to go back and dig up people's read accuracy and then call for others to "inverse" that person's reads. I now recognize that's an asshole move. But, the point here is you can't be ambivalent no matter how "good" you reason is, because the better reason from my perspective is that you're ambivalent because you're scum. You have to commit to something so you can be held accountable later in the game. The worst thing you can be in this game is to be afraid of being wrong. If you're wrong, no big fucking deal. It's a game and human behaviour is fluid.
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@Barney
Why are you VTLing Bullish?

I have scum read him and advocated for his lynch all DP starting from post 181 and nothing that has happened since has changed my read on him or given me a stronger scum read on anyone else so that is where my vote is for now.
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@ILikePie5
No cop would CC you in DP1. This is stupid you even claimed it. if you are truly a cop, I would kill you over ME and SING. 2 vanillas < 1 cop. No one would claim a COP DP1 or CC a COP becuase they would get killed NP w/o a doubt

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@Discipulus_Didicit
Weren't people complaining earlier in the DP about how GP and others had pretty weak justifications? Speaking for myself my justification is a bit of a stretch too, pretty sure speed designed the game by making a bunch of roles then trying to find characters to match the roles rather than the other way around (which is the correct way to do it really).
Good point.
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@Bullish
I have bad explanation but the best reads on scum. Things make sense in my head, but not on a forum
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@ILikePie5
Now who can tell me the frequency of this role as mafia vs its frequency as town? It's probably what, 80-20? 90-10? Less? Lynch this SOB and let's get on with this shite.
MafiaWiki  says:
"Role Cops are actually a somewhat popular Mafia role, but have also been seen aligned with the Town."

Which I interpret to mean that Role Cops are more often mafia than town.
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@SirAnonymous
Then it's lazy modding. He did also say he tried on everyone else.
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@oromagi
Role Cop is 99% of time scum role on DART
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@ILikePie5
God both of those responses were awful.

Congrats on being the only investigative role to claim D1. I think we have what, eight players unclaimed? You don't think any of them are investigative? Somehow because you claimed the investigative role that's scum-aligned like 90% of the time that makes you special and immune from the lynch? Get the fuck outta here.

You're assuming there's no cop aside from you? Again we have eight unclaimed players right now. There's no reason a cop should counter-claim a role cop, so I'll stop you before you think of that being a good argument here.

Again, I implore you to tell me which side of the game a role cop falls on the VAST majority of the time.

psst... It's mafia.
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@Vader
No cop would CC you in DP1. This is stupid you even claimed it. if you are truly a cop, I would kill you over ME and SING. 2 vanillas < 1 cop. No one would claim a COP DP1 or CC a COP becuase they would get killed NP w/o a doubt

A 1 for 1 trade is always better. And scum have a choice. Do they kill you and let me role cop someone, or do they kill me and risk having some see them. 
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As I said the first time you questioned me about that post, the reason it was unnatural was because it was unnatural. I don't know how to communicate laughter over text in a natural way.
That's the point. I don't know how to behave naturally or unnaturally. If I did then the words natural and unnatural would no longer describe my behaviour. You can't "know" how to be natural or unnatural on command unless you're a sociopath.

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@warren42
To reiterate, a smart cop would not CC another Cop in DP1. A cop is a valuable role and puts scum at huge advantage when dead
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@ILikePie5
Looks like I couldn't beat you to it.

A. No, cops are much less frequent than 90 or even 80% of games.
B. There is absolutely NO reason for a cop to couterclaim you.
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@oromagi
Which I interpret to mean that Role Cops are more often mafia than town.

And what’s the likelihood of there being a cop or some other form of investigative role ever single fuckin game. I have not been CCed
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Aight even after a mod coming in, even after not being CCed, even after claiming to be a town investigative role. I’m going to be lynch. This is unprecedented in Mafia history. Goodnight
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@ILikePie5
No it's not. Town loses a power role and another role and mafia loses one

IF A COP WE'RE TO CC and YOU WERE SCUM, its 1 v 1 without a power

Mislynch

2 v 1 mafia

then we die

4 v 1 mafia advantage

It is just stupid to leave you alive

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@Vader
Yes. I can't tell if you're trying to convince me but there's no need to do so if you are. I thought I'd be able to preempt that bad argument from Pie but he beat me to it.
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@warren42
I know, but I also just wanted to point out the obvious too lol
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@oromagi
  • Failed to CC when Lunatic claimed 1xROLE COP
  • Comes later in the day, notices that nobody cc'd Lunatics claim, so thinks its safe to claim.
  • Claimed ROLE COP in DP1 which is not like Pie
  • Claims he was spooked cause he had 3 votes on him (he's read Lunatic's gambit so he knows that we are nowhere near quorum) in a 13 man game.   I've never seen Pie get spooked in these games.
  • I note that as pressure increases on Pie, 3 more players (including u) have suddenly arrived to change the subject.  That is always interesting to note

Honestly some of these are pretty good points I has not considered, especially the first and - if true - the last. I'm going to re-read starting from lunatics gambit.

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Ok. That's enough screaming inside my head for one night. Pie is scum, let's pack it up and find the rest tomorrow.
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If I am alive DP2, my lynch vote will be on DD. I will explain this if I am alive DP2
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@Bullish
Of the "several different possibilities" you came up with a grand total of TWO, both of which would mark Grey as scum! 
That may have something to do with the fact that I haven't seen the movie. Also, there were 3. You're forgetting the possibility of no theme. The theory that it was Cap vs Iton Man wouldn't make GP scum. Finally, the very existence of these possibilities debunked your absurd claim that GP was scum based solely on the fact that you took a guess at the theme.
But, the point here is you can't be ambivalent no matter how "good" you reason is, because the better reason from my perspective is that you're ambivalent because you're scum.
This doesn't follow. I don't trust my reads because I know as an objective fact that they're usually wrong. To one degree or another, I have shown this same indecision in nearly every game I've played. I'm bad at this game, and I know it.
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Lynch Pie. Mamba out.
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@Vader
Is this the case regardless of Pie's alignment? I don't like that you said it this way because you're probably going to die tonight regardless.
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Ok. Out for real this time.
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@warren42
If Pie flips scum, for sure. if not, then it's a maybe. Ik I'll die

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@Vader
If I am alive DP2, my lynch vote will be on DD. I will explain this if I am alive DP2

If you and singlarity are town likelihood of you dying tonight is high since scum could get a 2-for-1 deal. I think it would be better for you to explain your scum read of me now or else town will probably never hear it.

I will be role confirmed tomorrow btw, though not necessarily town confirmed.
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@Bullish
That's the point. I don't know how to behave naturally or unnaturally. If I did then the words natural and unnatural would no longer describe my behaviour. You can't "know" how to be natural or unnatural on command unless you're a sociopath.
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Are you seriously FOSing me because I used the word know?
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@Bullish
Again, given that the mafia would be just as pleased as town that the TP got exposed, why would you expect a mafia's reaction to that event to be unnatural?