DART Survivor Mafia - DP2

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TOWN: Me
Lean Town- Speed, Sir
Null- ETC
Lean Scum- WP (awaiting claim)
Scum- GP





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A turncoat and a mason in the same game is not smart

Why?
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The ability for mafia to recruit is extremely strong, like borderline break the balance of a game strong. There has to be something to counterbalance that out to make it fair. Masons are equally stupid.
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VTL RAGNAR
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Why Ragnar?
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Just caught up

So either Grey and Water are both Mafia or both town

Leaning town though because that would be a crazy Gambit
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GreyParrot - 1/5 - Supa
Ragnar - 1/5 - Grey

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Idea I want feedback on:

Short of any other late results coming out, we lynch GP today as a utility lynch. Lynching GP tells us one of two things: either a) wp is the mason and can keep recruiting town and we win, or b) gp flips scum and we insta lynch wp the next day.

Thoughts?
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B for sure
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@Zaradi
If Water and Grey are masons, I imagine the mafia response to one being lynched would be to NK the other to end their recruitment.

Admittedly I have not played in games with Masons before, and the description doesn't mention it; I am however guessing it's only the first whom can recruit, because otherwise there would be an exponential growth problem.

Granted Grey feels incredibly scummy for claiming to be mason, intentionally outing Water, and believing we should lynch anyone who suggests using masons for town's advantage.


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Actually a mason balances the game out mild well but is definitely a scum role to claim in this game. GP is experienced and probably took charge while WP layed back. Awaiting Water claim
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Again, I threw out some vanilla roles and GP literally claimed the exact role I listed as a vanilla, Shab. Fishy stuff

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I made the mistake in claiming some throw up vanilla roles.

What I said who could be vanilla: 
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3532/dart-survivor-mafia-dp1?page=3&post_number=67

GP claim: 
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3532/dart-survivor-mafia-dp1?page=10&post_number=232

Ironic how it matches my prediction. Take into consideration he doesn't know S1 and didn't know what to claim and I think it is easily scum

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As badly as GP has played, I don't think it's really possible for him to be lying. GP and WP are claiming that Water can recruit. Since this will be easily verifiable next round, they would have to be out of their minds to make this claim as mafia.

Of course, I suppose it is possible that they planned to make this fake claim and GP bungled it by saying that Water had recruited him. However, if that's the case, we'll know next round when they don't have a new recruit.
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@Zaradi
Short of any other late results coming out, we lynch GP today as a utility lynch. Lynching GP tells us one of two things: either a) wp is the mason and can keep recruiting town and we win, or b) gp flips scum and we insta lynch wp the next day.

Thoughts?
If we lynch GP, then the mafia could kill Water and we would have killed off a powerful asset for town. If they're lying, we'll know next round if they don't have a new recruit.

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Granted Grey feels incredibly scummy for claiming to be mason, intentionally outing Water, and believing we should lynch anyone who suggests using masons for town's advantage.
One thing is certain: regardless of his affiliation, Grey is playing poorly.
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Plans that rely on the masons being confirmed with a new recruit need to understand that for that to work, WP needs to be explicitly clear today who he intends to recruit during the night. If he attempts to recruit scum and dies for it, every mason dies (which, admittedly, is not how I'm used to the role functioning, but oh well).

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Like I predicted last day phase, the scumhunting by town was abysmal DP1 and it carries on to DP2.

Can't wait for the endgame.
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Nah ur just playing like shit if ur town but ur scum 
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Assume GP isn't playing. Who should town be looking at and why? 
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How many scum do we suppose there are? I'm guessing just a pair, because of Oro being a turncoat (if they had the ability to get up to 4 of them in a 10 player game, it would be overpowering).

Anyway, waiting for contradictions and confirmations...
  • If anyone is the vig, a shot to Supa tonight would confirm his role.
  • If anyone is a blocker, please repeat whomever you blocked last night (another possibility for no night kill); or tell us who as that would be a good lynch target today.

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Water,
  • I was reading up on Masons and learned they destroy power roles. I'm Warren, a vanilla. As such I would be a good candidate.
  • If you and Grey are scum, of course you'll just kill whomever you say you're recruiting; but that can't last more than a night or two.
  • If you're town, either way you're probably dead tonight... So tell Grey whomever you are going to try to recruit, and aim for mafia (with luck identify one of them, otherwise at least Grey will know who to keep lynches away from tomorrow).

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Dashboard
TOWN                 ALIAS                ROLE
x. oromagi           Speedrace         TURNCOAT
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2. SirAnon          .
7. Speedrace     .
4. SupaDudz      Drafter               BULLETPROOF
10. ILikePie        .
8. Water             hinted by GP      MASON
3. Singularity      .
1. Ragnar           Warren               VANILLA
5. Zaradi             .
6. Greyparrot      Shab                  MASON
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MAFIA                ALIAS                 ROLE
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Analyzing
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I'm sui. Sorry for being inactive, I was really busy yesterday and had school today.

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I'm 1x shot that's why I was so sad that grey leaked that I was mason. I'm telling you guys all this because I'll definitely be nk'd tonight unless mafia wants me to be a mislynch
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If anyone is the vig, a shot to Supa tonight would confirm his role.
What if he's like 1x or actually got protected.


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I'm 1x shot that's why I was so sad that grey leaked that I was mason.
I was really hoping that wasn't the case. Now you're back on the table as a suspect.

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@WaterPhoenix
I'm sui.
I'd wondered about that. Mason seemed like a good fit for sui.

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@Greyparrot
Like I predicted last day phase, the scumhunting by town was abysmal DP1 and it carries on to DP2.

Can't wait for the endgame.
You're one to talk.