I think Warren's vicious smear of Bernie might be the final nail in her campaign.

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Are you kidding, he was only slightly to the left of the republicans. He pretended to be progressive to get elected, but then ruled from the center. Take Obamacare, his quintessential policy. He took that from the republicans, it was a right wing plan created by a right wing think tank. 
No, are you kidding? Do you know what affirmative act is?

Sanders has been fighting for women's rights for decades. He has been consistently in favor of women's rights for a long, long time. Warren is inconsistent all the time. One day her kids went to public schools, oh wait it was private schools. One day she is "with bernie" on medicare for all, then she is basically just pitching Pete's plan. 
Eh, she probably won't get elected anyways.
I don't even have a response to this heavily biased opinion with no reality anywhere in it. 
why would I? He is a corporatist sellout. He and his family have used his career for personal profit in a legal, but scummy way. He can't remember what state he is in, what Obama's name is, he rambles about sending social workers into the homes of black people because they don't know how to take care of their children and about how black children play with his leg hair, he fully supported the war in Iraq and wanted to be there "for a long time". The list of reasons why Biden is a terrible candidate are a mile long. He would almost certainly lose to trump. I think Biden is the worst candidate. Although Butigeg is pretty terrible too. 
Nice ramble, took the words right out of my mouth. And that's why I support biden as a candidate, because he'll definitely lose to trump. And if he doesn't... Well then we have weed legalization.

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No, are you kidding? Do you know what affirmative act is?
yes, do you have a point?

Eh, she probably won't get elected anyways.
She has really damaged her support. She tanked her medicare plan and now engaged in an dickish smear attack on her "close friend". I don't think she can come back now. 

Nice ramble, took the words right out of my mouth. And that's why I support biden as a candidate, because he'll definitely lose to trump. And if he doesn't... Well then we have weed legalization.
Ah, so you want the most corrupt and incompetent regime in american history to continue. Gotcha. 
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And that's why I support biden as a candidate, because he'll definitely lose to trump.
Polling as him as the best chance at beating Trump. You best bet is to support a women Warren or a gay man Pete. It should be obvious why polling has them losing, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out when I have already told you what I think are the main reasons. 

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Polling as him as the best chance at beating Trump. You best bet is to support a women Warren or a gay man Pete. It should be obvious why polling has them losing, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out when I have already told you what I think are the main reasons. 
That polling is a snap shot of right now. And every candidate on the stage is too afraid of looking mean to point out Biden's many, many flaws. Do you think trump is going to be afraid to do that? No, trump is going to rip Biden a new one and the shots are going to land because they are true, or at the least they have enough truth in them to stick. 

Biden can't beat trump once the knives come out and his closet full of shitty things starts coming out. Not to mention his very obvious mental decline. Trump will run circles around Biden. 

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That polling is a snap shot of right now
Like how the snapshot before 2016 election had literally swing states deciding who wins and that happened. What is your point? 
And every candidate on the stage is too afraid of looking mean to point out Biden's many, many flaws. Do you think trump is going to be afraid to do that? No, trump is going to rip Biden a new one and the shots are going to land because they are true, or at the least they have enough truth in them to stick. 

Biden can't beat trump once the knives come out and his closet full of shitty things starts coming out. Not to mention his very obvious mental decline. Trump will run circles around Biden. 
I was talking about polling yet you just can't help yourself but attack Biden? What is your problem?
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If you believe I am ignorant, then poo pooing away my legitimate concerns is not the way to help me know better.

As I stated, every "communist" country that I know of calls themselves a republic or democracy. So when you say there is a difference, how am I supposed to readily accept that?

I am not throwing around insults. I am being very open about where I am at, and what it sounds like.


So what is democratic socialism? A stepping stone to other forms of socialism that do entail the seizing of the economy by the government? How is it that until recently, everyone knew that socialism in Marxist theory is the intermediate stage on the way to communism?

My biggest concern, as I'd like to make clear, is that the people who run these movements are in fact marxists, and their end goal entails the abolition of my church. The very idea of a hierarchical church with Bishops, priests, deacons and such is antithetical to the marxist ideal.

It is a legitimate concern, and it is an issue very close to me. I am nonpolitical. However, I am very anti-communist. Why shouldn't I be? It threatens my very way of life, and I am not even a capitalist or a materialist for that matter!





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Like how the snapshot before 2016 election had literally swing states deciding who wins and that happened. What is your point? 
my point is we are a long time away from the election and no one is vetting Biden. He has a closet full of skeletons and no one is really pointing them out because they don't want the media piling on them for being mean. Trump is going to shine a spot light on them. So people look at biden today and think well he was obama's VP, he can't be that bad. But if he won and all the dirt starts being used against him, that will change. 
I was talking about polling yet you just can't help yourself but attack Biden? What is your problem?]
I'm not sure I understand. We were having a conversation about biden when you chimed in about his polling. The logical inference was that you were also talking about biden. I interpreted your message to mean you thought Biden has the best chance of winning, when it is the exact opposite. I was explaining why biden has the worst chance of beating trump. 
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So people look at biden today and think well he was obama's VP, he can't be that bad. But if he won and all the dirt starts being used against him, that will change. 
This is under the assumption someone else is better?
We were having a conversation about biden when you chimed in about his polling. The logical inference was that you were also talking about biden. I interpreted your message to mean you thought Biden has the best chance of winning, when it is the exact opposite. I was explaining why biden has the worst chance of beating trump. 
There is a difference between fact and conjecture. You gave conjecture when I gave facts. See the difference? You literally inference an entirely new area and you constantly do it. 
to mean you thought Biden has the best chance of winning, when it is the exact opposite
Polls have him winning on the democrats side. Do you have polls to state otherwise? 
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yes, do you have a point?
Thank you for noticing.

She has really damaged her support. She tanked her medicare plan and now engaged in an dickish smear attack on her "close friend". I don't think she can come back now.
If she talks about equity and women's rights enough she might be able to come back.

Ah, so you want the most corrupt and incompetent regime in american history to continue. Gotcha. 
Yes, glad we're on the same page.

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Personally I don't look at polling too much, I mean trump was supposed to lose by like a huge amount but it was the other way around.

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Obama wasn't a socialist. Bernie is. Many dems aren't socialists. Biden isn't, Yang isn't a socialist

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So people look at biden today and think well he was obama's VP, he can't be that bad. But if he won and all the dirt starts being used against him, that will change. 
Yeah, and the whole trump impeachment thing.


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Yang isn't a socialist
mmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Obama wasn't a socialist
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?!

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"Self described Democratic Socialist."
Stop it hunny


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Yang denounces socialism, and is a human capitalist

Obama wasn't as socialist as people make him out to be

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When your party is a mess and can only unite on hating Trump knowing that you will use 2020 elections

This. This is why Republicans lost in 2012 and why Democrats lost in 2004. 
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Exactly. It is a cycle every year with re elections
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Bernie Sanders literally classifies himself as a " democratic socialist
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I mean technically speaking he lost by 2 million votes and the only reason he won was due to the electoral college 
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Yang denounces socialism, and is a human capitalist

Obama wasn't as socialist as people make him out to be
ubi and obama was like as far left as you can get without starting a communist revolution.


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I mean technically speaking he lost by 2 million votes and the only reason he won was due to the electoral college 
technically he won


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Obama wasn't a socialist. Bernie is. Many dems aren't socialists. Biden isn't, Yang isn't a socialist
Have you heard him advocate for the state taking over all the means of production? No? Then he isn't a socialist, please stop repeating that lie. 

Congratulations, you've learned to read. You now know he is a "democratic socialist" not a "socialist". They are 2 very different things. 


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Economic socialism with demcracy is still socialism
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Bernie Sanders literally classifies himself as a " democratic socialist " 
Correct, please note that a democratic socialist is not a socialist. They are 2 very different things. 

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Economic socialism with demcoracy is still socialism
It doesn't matter how many times I repeat it, Bernie calls himself a democratic socialist, although his platform is social democracy, nor democratic socialism. But despite that, democratic socialism, is not socialism. I know it can be hard to tell words apart, but you can do it, i believe in you. 


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Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned economy,[1] with a particular emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within market socialism, or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.[2] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedomequality and solidarity and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realisation of a socialist society.[3] Although most democratic socialists seek a gradual transition to socialism,[4] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as means to establish socialism.[3] As a term, democratic socialism was popularised by social democrats who were opposed to the authoritarian development of socialism in Russia and elsewhere during the 20th century.[5][6]
Sounds like socialism but with elections. Nice you keep up with your logic

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Sounds like socialism but with elections. Nice you keep up with your logic
They have some things in common. They also have differences. Pretending they are the same thing is stupid. 


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Yeah, no. Of course he thought he was a liberal. And look at that news source cnbc? Are you fr?
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Socialism is still socialism is any shape or form, no matter what it is. Just because they have election doesn't make it not socialism