destroy entire town and its people, if someone there wants everyone to worship false gods

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miracles. sometimes something like someone's retina or optic nerve heals itself after they pray. this sort of stuff doesn't happen to atheists. 

near death experiences. there's just way too much good science behind this to write it off. see dr jeffrey long's book 'evidence of the afterlife' for a good start on that topic. 
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The Truth is God.

The Truth is a better measure of things than you.

The Truth is that everything is as it should be.

Your rejection of reality does not overthrow reality.

The Truth is a better canon than your arbitrary sense of aesthetics.




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look at the bible. do you see error? of course there is. so if God is real, the bible must not be error free. 

think of all the saints and other sources that were inspired. were any of them perfect? no. so it's the way things are, that there's inspiration and not perfection. only God is perfect. his creation is not. 

This is true, so why not make topics that reflect that truth? I think atheists are already dissatisfied with the Bible, no need to rub it in. There is plenty of useful information in the Bible, and there is information that is not useful. I don't know why people make such a big deal about it. There's plenty of things to discuss about God not relevant to the Bible. 
I always thought the Bible had a lot of good knowledge, but not perfect of course. But my belief in God is not dependent on that at all, never was. 

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Can't really speak like a person with free will act like a literal slave to God. 
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miracles. sometimes something like someone's retina or optic nerve heals itself after they pray. this sort of stuff doesn't happen to atheists. 
So basically against science since it has found no link to healing to praying but you still believe it to be the case? 

What does this got to do with atheists? Why are you trying to always ridicule the other-side instead of presenting a good argument for your side? It is almost as if the argument was be pretty weak without ridicule. It would be even weak if people noticed this.

Your argument is: Miracles exist.

My question: How do we prove this to be the case?

My guess of what you will say: Here is a link not verified by a science but I choose to believe it to be the case. 

My answer: Okay so you don't have proof only anecdotes to support a worldview. It must be really difficult to believe in something so flimsy that you literally have to fish for anecdotes to make your belief hold anything.
near death experiences. there's just way too much good science behind this to write it off. see dr jeffrey long's book 'evidence of the afterlife' for a good start on that topic. 
Just a quick Google search his work hasn't been peer-reviewed so don't expect me to believe in something that wasn't even checked by others to see if it was correct. Who knew that this person would rather make money off of theists instead of actually providing ground-breaking evidence to science. It is almost as if he knows how little his evidence holds and instead chose to lie about what his book was about which was theist propaganda. 

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All n8nrgmi is saying is that God should  follow his personal moral code, and because he doesn't, God is immoral.

Then he is letting god off externally light , isn't he? You should be pleased and high  -fiveing the fellow members of your Christian flock.

Especially when god himself admits to being a jealous warmongering murderer of who won't think twice about killing children and little animals if he doesn't get his own way.

He destroyed a mans whole family, house , servants and livestock  once just for a bet and out of sheer boredom. Have you not read the book of Job.

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I'm sure if your life was laid out for us to examine, we could determine pretty easily what enslaves you.





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To hold God to the same standards as people is not unlike expecting animals to do people stuff.

You talk of God as if he was like people. God is The Ultimate Reality, not human being or a human like being. Respecting the identity of God leads quite naturally to the conclusion that to defy God is a vain thing, and that desiring to conform to God's will is the path of sanity and righteousness.


Morality is for people. Everything God does is right because God is The Truth. The Truth defines what is right. Making peace with God is making peace with reality.

Judging God is as silly as holding an earthquake morally accountable.





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To hold God to the same standards as people is not unlike expecting animals to do people stuff.
In his own image leaps to mind.


You talk of God as if he was like people.

In his own image leaps to mind.


God is The Ultimate Reality, not human being or a human like being.

God  (if the bible is to be believed) is flesh and blood. He ate, he drank, and  cheated to win a wrestling match. His sons raped earthly women.  God also, like me, recognized that there were other gods. God, like humans, caused war and murdered thousands. These are biblical facts. This is what you inherited when early Christians adopted another cultures ancient religious beliefs without understanding it. 

Your trouble now of course , is that you have to defend this bloodthirsty manic , with absolute bullshit and make things up as you go and when a problematic question is posed to you. Then you attempt to make out that you know and understand perfectly what this being called "god" was thinking why he thought it  and why he did such heinous things in ancient times millennia ago.  

Judging God is as silly as holding an earthquake morally accountable.

Stop it! FFS!


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if you search through my topic posts you'll see i've posted about things that look like miracles, such as someone's optic nerve being healed, verified by their doctors. and these kinds of things happen all the time and you would have to be stupid or evil to not realize it. now, with that said, these things are never shown to happen to atheists. ive been asking for years and no one can show me something that looks like a miracle happening to an atheist. 

dr long's book that i mentioned cites plenty of peer reviewed articles and studies. out of body experiences that are verified as accurate from credible people, with an extreme rate of accuracy. almost 100% of the people in NDE experiences that are met are deceased, when if this was all fake and hallucation, that number would be all over the place. blind people seeing. the book is full proof. 

that you choose to remain ignorant, stupid, and have a hardened heart.... is your problem. you might want to work on that
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I disagree but at least you have made it clear you don't disagree with my assessment. Your a slave to God. 
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if you search through my topic posts you'll see i've posted about things that look like miracles
I have seen them and none of them are proof only that you are willing to believe in things which you have no knowledge of. You instead decide to reject science as a ways to observe the world and choose whatever confirms your biases. Don't expect me to have the same standard.
dr long's book that i mentioned cites plenty of peer reviewed articles and studies
His conclusion requires to be peer-reviewed, has it been peer-reviewed? No it hasn't. 

It is like me saying look at all these peer-reviewed sources and my conclusion is God doesn't exist. The problem of course is that my conclusion is not peer reviewed only the sources. The good doctor is doing a disservice to anyone in the field if he is actually citing peer-reviewed studies in order to bolster his conclusion in a form of a book instead of presenting his findings to be peer-reviewed. 
the book is full proof. 
Do present a scientist peer-reviewing his book as in something he couldn't be bothered to do himself instead exploit his standing as the good doctor to sell books.
that you choose to remain ignorant, stupid, and have a hardened heart.... is your problem. you might want to work on that
Am I the ignorant one who chooses to throw out science whenever it doesn't conform to what I believe? Oh wait that is you. The projection is real with this one.

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It is better to be a slave to God than a slave to the passions.

But if slave is too offensive of a word for you, I can also go with willing partaker of the divine nature.


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ive cited articles that have doctors verify things that look like miracles. these things happen all the time to theists. you have to choose to remain ignorant to say otherwise. i can't even talk about these things with you in an advanced way, cause you are still stuck not knowing that 1+1 = 2. 

read the damn book. he cites peer reviewed science, you just can't deal with it and choose to remain ignorant, 
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Nobody is capable of addressing your superstitions Stephen. Only you can have the humility to be taught. The authoritative teachers are within the Holy Orders of the Orthodox Catholic Church.

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The question really is, have you read the book of Job? Because I don't think you have, and your post above supports that idea.

If you were so sharp, you would be able to answer questions put to you. As is, you are a fraud. A fake who pretends he's ready for debate, when in fact he only wants a soapbox from which to rant.

Till you get some integrity, you will not be treated by people like someone respectable. That is just a fact of life.
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It is better to be a slave to God than a slave to the passions.

But if slave is too offensive of a word for you, I can also go with willing partaker of the divine nature.
lol
Guess sucking God's dick doesn't give you pleasure then why do you do it? 

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ive cited articles that have doctors verify things that look like miracles. these things happen all the time to theists. you have to choose to remain ignorant to say otherwise. i can't even talk about these things with you in an advanced way, cause you are still stuck not knowing that 1+1 = 2. 

read the damn book. he cites peer reviewed science, you just can't deal with it and choose to remain ignorant, 
Remember that you are a hack that didn't argue against the core of my message. Stuck projecting and being delusional when all I wanted to see was a scientist to peer review the good doctor's conclusion but alas you can't deliver and reject science you know the very thing you accept before the conclusion. Guess you don't care about science only if it conforms to your worldview. Spoken like a true anti-intellectual.



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The question really is, have you read the book of Job?

Yes.

God kills Job's children.  But that's ok because after gods little joke  god gives him more  sons and thousands of head of livestock and Job doesn't shed a fucking tear over his murdered children and neither does god or his best buddy betting partner Satan. No, you see, possessions including his own innocent children it seemed, were simply easy come easy go. So we have to wonder what the twat Job was moaning  about  and  renting his mantle, and why shaved his head for  in the first place. 
 
No, in Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.

How did I do?


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How did I do?
As always you ranted your own opinions and pretended they were God's position.

Sorry, but I don't think reading some moron atheist's take on Job can substitute for reading the actual work.

But as far as I know, there is no prohibition to dumb opinions. Is anyone trying to stop you?




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How did I do?
Sorry, but I don't think reading some moron atheist's take on Job can substitute for reading the actual work.


So, as I suspected, I was right on the money them. I though so. Plain as the nose on ya face all along  really , wasn't it?

Here you are. A quick lesson in what an absolute bastard god and his friend satan was to a loyal servant Job.



Job 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.



AT 42 :12 -17  god was, I admit, nice enough to  bless Job and restore any loses accrued during this gambling session with Satan. indeed god soothed jobs broken heart and whining and put a stop to his  mantle renting and head shaving, by giving him:

 12 "fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys". 

I suppose in them days it was  fair exchange where life was so fkn cheap, to god





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Job died in his early 200s , so something was responsible for his early death. 
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Job died in his early 200s , so something was responsible for his early death. 

Depends who you believe -:  16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, Job 42:16-17

But indeed , this very loyal servant of the Lord and who had  eschewed all evil all of his days lived are extremely short life didn't he?  He was here and gone in a flash when  compared to Methuselah that lived just 31 years shy of a 1,000 years, 

Favoritism , eh, tut
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In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
Unlike you. But then foolishness is your forté isn't it?
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In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
Unlike you. But then foolishness is your forté isn't it?

As I said. In Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all, than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.

And Job received his reward;

 12 "fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys". 

I suppose in those days it was  fair exchange where life was so fkn cheap...... to god.

Nice to see for once you have no problem with my assessment of this story only that I am foolish to shoulder all the blame on god. Well let me tell, you; I cannot see anyone else to blame for the loss of life and desolation in the whole of this story.



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Nice to see for once you have no problem with my assessment of this story
All your "assessments" are laughably funny. I never have a problem with them. You do though.

only that I am foolish to shoulder all the blame on god.
Well, that isn't why you're foolish.

Well let me tell, you; I cannot see anyone else to blame for the loss of life and desolation in the whole of this story.
And that's that's why, unlike Job, you're foolish.
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Nice to see for once you have no problem with my assessment of this story
All your "assessments" are laughably funny.

But true. What is "funny" about my assessment is that no one in their right mind in the 21st century can ever believe this story.

 I mean, what kind of person would be contented with all of their children - all ten of them! - being murdered for such a egotistical reason. No amount of sheep,oxen and camels, could ever cause me to love anyone who did that to me and my children never mind cause me to excuse them. as you are so, so desperate  to do. I would have wanted to die with my children.   So go on, tell me who would? 

Well let me tell, you; I cannot see anyone else to blame for the loss of life and desolation in the whole of this story.
And that's that's why, unlike Job, you're foolish.

That is simply your opinion. And it is baseless too.

Tell me, what would have happened if job would have blamed and cursed god for his unprovoked actions?


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I mean, what kind of person would be contented with all of their children - all ten of them! - being murdered for such a egotistical reason. 
Not Job, according to the story in the bible. Did your bogus expert tell you Job was content? See why you should stick to the actual story?

I would have wanted to die with my children.
As did Job. Really, you should read the story. It's getting difficult not to think you're clueless.

That is simply your opinion. And it is baseless too. 
So is your "assessment" of Job.

Tell me, what would have happened if job would have blamed and cursed god for his unprovoked actions?
Do you have a learning disability? I keep telling you that your questions will be dismissed if you don't answer my questions, and you seem not to be able to understand that.

But I'm patient. It was part of my professional training. You will learn.

Now, before you expose even more of your ignorance, please go read the story. From a real bible this time. You'll be shocked to find that Job was not content.

Don't let your bias allow morons to successfully lie to you.
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I would have wanted to die with my children

As did Job. 

Then why didn't he kill himself?  And lets see your evidence for that.



That is simply your opinion. And it is baseless too. 
So is your "assessment" of Job.

No it is my assessment of the whole saga.  In Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all, than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.

Why?



Tell me, what would have happened if job would have blamed and cursed god for his unprovoked actions?
Do you have a learning disability?

So you don't know then.


please go read the story.

I have.

Do you have a learning disability?

YOU just can't resist being rude can you.  Even when your rudeness is veiled. This is your only defense isn't it.   you are just trying to turn yet ANOTHER FKN thread into a slanging match!!! because of your own fkn failure and inability to defend this story.  You really cannot help it can you. 

You simply cannot explain away the deplorable vicious nature of this god and his maniacal murderous actions towards a servant that HE KNEW WAS TOTALLY LOYAL!!!!  and so your only single reply is to say "Do you have a learning disability?"   and right on the heels of saying     " but I'm patient".  Well your patience didn't last too long there did it?

You have spoken of your "professional training" although you don't actually state what that " professional training" is or what it actaully teaches and entails. But  does that "professional training" include you being ignorant and rude when you're on the back foot and have painted yourself into a theological corner in trying to explain away this absolutely ridiculous story?

Why doesn't your  imagined "professional training" along with your non existent imagined  "patience" explain for instance,  what the story actually is supposed to mean? You are quick to tell me I don't understand it and that my assessment of the whole story is wrong, So lets have it princess. Let me see you explain away the vicious and vile actions by god towards a loyal servant, but   with facts and logic, and not  your beliefs presented as facts.







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Then why didn't he kill himself?  And lets see your evidence for that.
You are foolish, Job was not. Remember?

No it is my assessment of the whole saga.
Yes, your whole assessment is baseless.

So you don't know then.
Or your learning disability is confusing you. Either or.

YOU just can't resist being rude can you.
I do not use vulgarity shaheeb.

The only thing you'll see is me tossing you  for the fraud you are. You don't answer questions, you get tossed.

Your assessment is stupidity, proof of that is your reluctance to answer questions about it.

That is a fact. You asked for facts. Did you like that homer?