South Park Mafia DP2

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Redirector
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Alignment:
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Role type:
  • Manipulative
Choice:
  • Night
Redirector is a role that causes all actions taken on a particular Night by a specific player to target a specific second player instead of whatever their original target was.
Variations
The name Redirector is sometimes used to describe a Deflector instead, but this practice is discouraged nowadays.
Captain can also change the target of other players' abilities, but only those of specific other players, and those players normally have an option to refuse to use their action in response to discovering their target.
Use and Power
In the majority of cases, players are not informed that their Night actions were redirected. As with Deflectors and Bus Drivers, there is no consensus about whether an investigative role should be made aware of this redirection via their report or not; see Dealing with Scum Bus Drives.
Mafia Redirectors serve a similar function to Roleblockers in practice; a player's action can typically be neutralized via redirecting it onto a useless target, such as directing a Cop onto a confirmed player, or a Doctor onto a player who is not the target of a nightkill, although it is a bad idea to allow one into the same setup as a Vigilante or Serial Killer. In Town's hands, it is a little more powerful, due to the risk that it can be used to wrest control of the Mafia's nightkill into Town's hands. For similar reasons, it is normally a bad idea to allow a player to force another player to self-target, especially if that player is Town-aligned; this would give them the effect of a Vigilante kill that only worked on anti-Town players (who typically have kills).
In setups where multiple scumteams exist, but (for balance reasons) only one of them has a nightkill, giving the other team a factional Redirector ability is a common way to give them influence over the game at Night – in particular, this lets them take control of the nightkill if they can guess who is performing it.

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@oromagi
Unless Pie's isn't a visit
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@Speedrace
why wouldn't a redirect count as a visit?  I see no precedent.

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In my mind, it would make little difference due to the voting DP1. I knowe DP1 there was likely a framer for balance reasons assuming I was not blocked. Because Drafter had so much pressure DP1, it's at least 80% certain Drafter would have been the framer target, regardless of Drafter's affiliation. I would NEVER have chosen to cop Drafter under those circumstances.


In any case, it makes no difference to the fact scum slipped, and we know who the scum team is with good accuracy.
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BUT if IlikePie5 had escorted GP, Singularity should have seen the visit.

Either Pie or Singularity is lying.

Except Singularity would have been escorted to me and would only see people visiting me.
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@Greyparrot
You still have explained what benefit it would be to the scum team to engineer a simulpost
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haven't*
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@drafterman
NOPE.  That is a DEFLECTOR role.

Redirector is a role that causes all actions taken on a particular Night by a specific player to target a specific second player instead of whatever their original target was.

Singularity's report shows that Pie did not visit GP as claimed. 
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@drafterman
I already told you, it was a scum slip. A mistake, and they got caught.

Outside of a 36-hour lurk, this mistake would be written off as coincidence.

Town is fully aware of Speed's 36-hour lurk, so it's certain of 2 of the 3 on the scum team. I still have you as 75%


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@oromagi
READ what Supa just said.  Your COP was redirected.  You proved drafterman town. 

No, actions ON GP were redirected
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@Greyparrot
I can not confirm if Pie did those actions, but the role would work as A I think
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@Speedrace
Oh no they don't
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@ILikePie5
NOPE.  That is a DEFLECTOR role.

Redirector is a role that causes all actions taken on a particular Night by a specific player to target a specific second player instead of whatever their original target was.

Singularity's report shows that Pie did not visit GP as claimed. 

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@oromagi
Here is the problem.

If Pie didn't visit GP - as Singularity says - then GP wasn't redirected meaning he got real results on Pie meaning Pie is town.

But if Pie is town, then he did visit GP - as he says - and GP would have been redirected to me, meaning I'm town, but also meaning that Singularity is scum.

It is possible that Pie is lying and is Godfather or was lawyered.

It is possible that Pie is telling the truth and was roleblocked. But it is more likely that maf would have roleblocked Grey or Singularity than an inactive like Pie.
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@Greyparrot
But if it's a mistake then it is a coincidence! You can't say it's a mistake but not a coincidence! That doesn't make sense.
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I think there are just too many unknowns at the moment to figure out what is going on. The only sure thing is that Bullish is scum and should be lynched.
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Unofficial Vote Count
Irontoaster [3/6] GreyParrot, Bullish, Singuarity
Bullish [3/6] irontoaster, drafterman, Speedrace,
drafterman [1/6] Lunatic


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@drafterman
or GP is lying about being a COP.  hardly unprecedented.
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@oromagi
I've considered the possibility, but that wouldn't resolve the issue between Pie's claim and Singularity's results.
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@drafterman
80% chance you would have been framed due to your 6/7 vote on DP1
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@Greyparrot
0% chance scum engineered a deliberate simulpost meaning it was 100% a coincidence regardless of their affiliation.
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@drafterman
Total mistake, not coincidence.

Address the 36-hour lurk by Speed.
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@drafterman
you are correct.  Either singularity or pie is lying.  I think it has to be Pie.  He came in very late with info important for town.  He misunderstood the nature of his own claim.  Chef is not a particularly good match for ESCORT.  A 1XREDIRECTOR is more likely scum than town.  JOAT is a big claim for scum.  Singularity came in early with his info.

I'm not 100% sure Pie is scum but now the whole game dynamic turns on whether he is telling the truth.  I think we should lynch Pie and figure this out.  If he's telling the truth, his power is shot anyway.


VTL ILikePie5


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@Greyparrot
If GP were town, he'd be less certain about this.  GP gets stubborn-minded when he is scum.
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@Greyparrot
At this point you're just fucking around. If it wasn't a coincidence, then it was deliberate. If it was deliberate, you need to present a reason why they did it on purpose.
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@oromagi
I'm okay with this lynch.

Unvote. VTL Pie.
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Vote Count
Irontoaster [3/6] GreyParrot, Bullish, Singuarity
Bullish [2/6] irontoaster, Speedrace,
drafterman [1/6] Lunatic
Pie [2/6] oromagi, drafterman


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@Bullish
I wonder what Bullish thinks of this turn of events?
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@drafterman
It was neither. You're presenting a false dichotomy.

It was a mistake, and scum slipped when I called speed out for his 36-hour lurk.
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@ILikePie5
No vote?